gav said: ...this is where the MOQ and postmod relativity agree. they are a step onwards from the strictures of explicit absolutes (truth, morals, laws etc) - *positive nihilism*. MOQ then goes one step further and replaces explicit truth with implicit value/quality. ...the MOQ is part of the 4th level and it is aware of the inadequacy of SOL, in relation to its concordance with experienced reality. this is crucial; it is significant beyond measure; it is the bridge between science, art and religion and between east and west. ...from here we go on to the code of art itself - the code that trumps the literal S/O 'truth' of the intellectual level. the MOQ enables the intellect to accomodate the rightness of this, which is a point i hadn't fully considered before: *this makes the intellectual level unique*. the intellect, unlike the other levels, is capable of *understanding it's own limitations*.
dmb says: Right, not only do we shift to provisional and historical truths rather than objective or eternal truths, but the MOQ puts intellect in the context of experience and subordinates it to dynamic quality. "The central reality of mysticism, the reality that Phaedrus had called ‘Quality’ in his first book, is not a metaphysical chess piece. Quality doesn’t have to be defined. You understand it without definition, ahead of definition. Quality is a direct experience independent of and prior to intellectual abstractions” (LILA 64). “The Metaphysics of Quality subscribes to what is called empiricism. It claims that all legitimate knowledge arises from the sense or by thinking about what the sense provided. Most empiricists deny that validity of any knowledge gained through imagination, authority tradition, or purely theoretical reasoning. They regard fields such as art, morality, religion, and metaphysics as unverifiable. The Metaphysics of Quality varies from this by saying that the values of art and morality and even religious mysticism are verifiable, and that in the past they have been excluded for metaphysical reasons, not empirical reasons. They have been excluded because of the metaphysical assumption that all the universe is composed of subjects and objects and anything that can’t be classified as a subject or an object isn’t real. There is no empirical evidence for this assumption at all. Its just an assumption” (LILA 99). _________________________________________________________________ Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_122007 Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
