At 08:29 AM 12/17/2007, you wrote: > [Marsha] > > I'd like to suggest something. Sometimes knowing > > comes in it's > > negative form: It's not what I am told it is. > > It's not what I > > think it is. The experience is proving different. > >[SA] > Marsha, I think your right on here. This is >exactly what I meant by 'mountains are no longer >mountains'. It is a dynamic experience where >everybody seems to be saying, by experience. For >instance bums would see an experience of people with >cars, going to work, building tall buildings, bridges, >and the way they walk around with hands full of >groceries, etc... How do bums see their experience >compared to the experience they see everybody else >living that aren't bums? This is a question that >would be difficult to fully answer, but my original >point was that bums know quality already. Bums live >at the fringe of society and thus, have a very >different experience and view of reality. They have a >dynamic experience. Maybe more dynamic than >intellects who try to 'think outside the box', but >have difficulty changing their experiences (Do bums >waste and ruin the environment more than consumers in >the U.S.?). If bums don't have any input into how >this society is taking care of its' people, then who >knows best - everybody that has all this extra $ to >buy the lastest toys for Christmas and they'll wait in >long lines all night just to get them? > Peter says bums deserve their experience, but >Peter does say there are exceptions and some have bad >luck. This is a long argument that has been around >for awhile - the argument that poor people don't work >as hard as rich people. I don't want to get into this >argument I find it a waste of time at this moment for >it seems an argument that people in cozy warm houses >make over tea while they reminisce over the bums they >saw in town earlier in the freezin' cold. > > >woods, >SA
SA, Dropouts. It's waking up from the social dream. It's to have you value system unglued. "It's not this! It's not that! What the hell is going on???" I imagine it can happen under many different circumstances. Combat, with its death and destruction, might be a situation that can send you mind into a spin. Sometimes it might be a single question that can't be answered that can shatter the whole system. Reactions probably vary. If you're not prepared for it, it may be quiet a violent shock. I wonder about the kid that randomly shot people at a mall. Timothy McVeigh? Etc. When it's gone what do you hold on to? And then for the lucky ones, what kind of restructuring occurs. I try not to judge dropouts, or "bums". I have no idea of their experience. I am more saddened by the people who buy the social dream, hook, line and sinker. It sustains the mess. I dropped out, but it was comparably gentle and with some luck. And I had books to keep me warm. Krishnamurti, Nietzsche, Pirsig!!! There was someone there to say it's okay. knowing nothing, Marsha Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
