Ron and MD
On 20 Dec. you wrote: > Ron: No, Bo does seem not to understand the fact that he is Working > within the culture, he does but he doesn't. Bo: I understand perfectly well that I am inside a culture, but what the MOQ means (to me) is tearing myself loose from the Western SOM (intellectual level) culture, to enter the Quality Culture. Ron: Bo, please excuse my provocative tact as I was purposely trying to Garner your attention. I am pleased we are on the same page, it means A great deal that we share a common understanding in regard to what MoQ means in a cultural interpretation. > We may only understand the world through culture But western culture is > not the only culture. Bo: >From my first comment you will see that I regard the levels as the biggest cultural concept there is, but within the levels there are countless sub-cultures. Even at the biological level we speak about bacteria cultures ..etc.. The Western culture is the one where intellectual level dominates but it surely has many sub- and sub-sub-sets. Likewise there is one major culture where social value dominates and just as many sub-sets. This is no fixed order, my Norway was social-focussed (religion-dominated) a mere century ago. Ron: > The root of human experience is what Pirsig refers to As > pre-intellectual, and through this we may transcend Our cultural > differences. Bo: Pre-intellect in the MOQ means the social level. If you mean the "pre-intellect" of ZAMM, it's existence's dynamic component. We can certainly transcend intellect (in its SOM capacity) to reach the MOQ culture .... or variations thereof, as I believe (Pirsig saying) the Oriental cultures are. Ron: It helps to view pre-intellect as before social, more individual, for social creates symbol. Yet I see what you mean that not all culture is intellectual, not by our cultural definition of intellect at least. It seems the interpretation Lies in the complexity as it relates to the abstract in social symbol And meaning. Yet, the personal individual experience, the ones we share With all biological creatures before the social meaning, on any level, Seems to me to be the root of the matter, the one common thread that runs Through all living creatures. > It is culture which can bind us, it is culture which may blind us . TRUE! Bo Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
