Pirsig did talk about 'a culture of one' meaning one
person. The dynamic aspect of quality keeps its'
integrity and innocence intact. I didn't see this
culture aspect discussed before. I see more posts on
this thread. I'll read ahead to see what is
discussed.
SA
[Ron]
> Understand that this is my understanding of it, and
> as Bo says of
> Pirsig,
> Perhaps even he doesn't see the significance of his
> own proposal. But
> That's how I see it. Pirsig alluded to it with
> cultural preconceptions
> But I don't think he came right out and hit us on
> the head with it.
> This is why things get funky when we try to place
> cultural
> understandings
> On MoQs general theories. Just like what the captain
> did to Lila, and
> Dusenberry to the Natives, we will do to The MoQ, if
> we're not careful.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of MarshaV
> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 3:00 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [MD] Knowledge as MOQ's intellect
>
>
> Hey Ron,
>
> I have and will continue to read Bo's posts with
> care.
>
> Marsha
>
>
>
> At 01:45 PM 12/17/2007, you wrote:
> >Hey Marsha,
> >I'm not looking to make anyone happy per say, but
> understanding one
> >another is a start in the direction of a general
> MoQ understanding. As
> I
> >said before, Bo has some good points to consider
> when developing ones
> >personal philosophy in regard to MoQ. The questions
> of "can we conceive
> >outside of our cultural
> >Understandings?" and "when we think we are thinking
> trans-culturally,
> or
> >are we Merely rearranging our prejudices?" need to
> be viewed with the
> > Understanding of how culture and intellect are
> directly involved with
> >forming personal experience.
> >
> >Bo is not offering to change culture with a 5th
> level, in fact he is
> not
> >Proposing a fifth at all, he is proposing a
> cultural understanding of a
> >Trans-cultural concept.
> >MoQ 's levels clearly illustrate that social and
> intellectual are
> >separate
> >Levels thus making that system outside any
> particular society
> >specifically.
> >Thus "taking quality off the chess board".
> >
> >Now if all we experience and perceive is culturally
> derived, then how
> >the
> >Heck does one explain and accurately use this level
> system?
> >Bo's interpretation is by large Pirsigs
> interpretation only
> >Bo emphasizes this quality of understanding.
> >This shift is very important.
> >It in no way validates a particular belief but it
> highlights a general
> >understanding when viewing these concepts from a
> particular perpective.
> >
> >The Skutvik paradigm shift is a viable and useful
> concept to keep
> >In mind when interpreting the MoQ. And it's
> relation to SOM. Or
> >Any cultural understanding it is viewed from.
> >-Ron
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of MarshaV
> >Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 1:11 PM
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: [MD] Knowledge as MOQ's intellect
> >
> >
> >Greetings Ron,
> >
> >Does Bo think that by adding a 5th MOQ level he's
> going to change our
> >culture? Good luck!!!
> >
> >The English language is a very immediate link with
> my culture. It is
> >structured on a s/o point-of-view. I must use it.
> But in spite of
> >that, I know full well that it doesn't reflect my
> experience. There
> >is definitely a mismatch happening, and it's become
> comfortable.
> >
> >I totally emphasize with Bo's frustration. He's
> uncomfortable with
> >the mismatch. Yet I feel no compelling reason to
> adopt the SOL to
> >make Bo feel comfortable. Pirsig's point-of-view
> suits me just fine.
> >To me the MOQ is a better world-view that more
> accurately describes
> >reality. I have never thought of the MOQ as 'just
> another
> >theory'. It is the best!!! But if something
> comes along that looks
> >better, I will consider it.
> >
> >Marsha
> >
> >
> >
> >At 12:09 PM 12/17/2007, you wrote:
> > >Dan and Marsha,
> > >If you would allow me to interrupt, I think I
> have an understanding
> on
> > >what
> > >Bo's SOL interpretation means.
> > >Bo equates SOM with the intellectual level by
> virtue of culture. SOL
> is
> > >MOQ
> > >Interpreted through SOM culture.
> > >
> > >Both of you are also correct by positing as
> Pirsig does, that SOM is
> an
> > >Intellectual pattern just as MOQ when one views
> the levels outside of
> > >culture.
> > >When viewed within the culture (as Bo maintains
> that's all one can
> ever
> > >do)
> > >SOM is the intellectual level and MOQ can only be
> used via it's
> >cultural
> > >distinctions. In this interpretation MoQ is
> realized through SOM
> > >cultural understanding. Since we as individuals
> are defined by the
> > >culture we
> > >live in,
> > >Our intellect is also defined by the culture we
> live in.
> > >Ideally, Pirsig generated the levels as a general
> evolutionary trans
> > >Cultural paradigm.
> > >But as Bo accurately points out, we can only ever
> view this paradigm
> > >through
> > >Our own cultural understandings.
> > >This is what makes his SOL interpretation a more
> accurate appraisal
> of
> > >MoQ concepts as it relates to our specific
> cultural understanding.
> > >Because we simply can not escape our own cultural
> influences
> > >Our cultural influences make up who we are and
> how we view reality.
> > >Try to speak outside of culture and it is
> meaningless, therefore
> > >Immediate experience is the closest culturally
> understood descriptor
> > >Of a trans cultural experience.
> > >And as that experience it possesses more human
> commonality than
> > >That of any intellectual cultural distinction.
> > >
> > >-Ron
> > >
> > >
> > > >>> Dan,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> What do you think of making the Intellectual
> Level
>
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