[SA previously]
> > Hey Bo, I posted this too, but haven't heard a
> > response from you so, I'm sending this again.
[Bo]
> I just check and send mail once a day so I may be a
> bit slow, besides
> I'm hampered by the need to think, something most of
> you seem
> exempted from ;-) I don't know if you understood
> that the indented
> paragraphs were quotes from LILA, but at least they
> were and Pirsig's first statement was
> Now, it should be stated at this point that the
> Metaphysics of
> Quality supports this dominance of intellect
> over society. It
> says intellect is a higher level of evolution
> than society;
> therefore, it is a more moral level than
> society.
[SA currently]
Yeah, I knew this was Pirsig's.
[Bo]
> Intellect's purpose is to control - check - social
> VALUE (the term
> "society" is a bit ambiguous). All levels' purpose
> is to break free from
> the former level's limitations and in this process
> the former is seen as
> evil, Life (biology) abhors death ("inorgany"), but
> society abhors
> biology's "dog eats dog" existence just as much and
> intellect dislikes
> (to say it mildly) society's relentless pressure the
> individual to toe the
> common cause (my society right or wrong). Pro termo
> the islamist vs
> western value is the most prominent
> social/intellectual front.
[SA currently]
ok. I don't have a problem with this. It is
your insistence that intellect can be identified only
one way, your way, that's where I find a problem. You
can identify the intellect any way you want to, but
once you begin to say YOU only know and other people
don't have a clue, that's where I draw the line.
[Bo]
> However what Pirsig circles round in LILA is
> intellect exaggerating its
> job and that the intellect-steeped Western World
> will saw over the
> branch it is sitting on. Social value can't be
> controlled unto destruction
> lest existence slips back to the biological jungle
> that social value is a
> shore against. This happens because intellect
> doesn't know its role as
> a MOQ level - the levels are blind to anything but
> its own value - it
> operates as how reality REALLY is - as SOM.
[SA currently]
How do you know this? Can't your intellect
figure this out? How does your intellect know this?
How does your intellect know what levels are? How
does intellect know I'm hungry (biological level
speaking to my intellect saying cook something and I
do cook something creative.)? If you say it's all
"REALLY" SOM, then you are a trojan horse under the
disguise of the moq.
[Bo]
> The MOQ will set things
> right by stripping intellect of its "M" rank and
> relegate it its proper place
> as MOQ's 4th level where it is safely domesticated.
[SA currently]
Nobody is saying intellect is "M". Pirsig doesn't
say this. Only you seem to want the intellect to
process an SOM, an S/O reality. That's your SOL
interpretation.
[Bo]
> To exceed my "jurisdiction" I will say that it is
> wrong to force-feed
> intellects's values (freedom in a modern democratic
> sense) on parts of
> the world where social value (Islam) is still a
> greater freedom than the
> dog-eats-dog existence of war-lords and such. IMO
> training camps in
> Afghanistan or Somalia or Sudan for Al Qeada is not
> important, its the
> new security measurements (back to a necessary
> social pattern) in the
> West that has foiled all terror attempts.
> Intellect's advance is
> guaranteed in the long run. But to see this context
> a correct
> interpretation of the MOQ is required and THAT is a
> tougher job.
[SA currently]
I've never contested your political agenda.
snowy woods,
SA
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