Gav, DMB,
I was about to respond to that same quote from Gav ... he has a point
worth preserving IMHO.
("Every belief contains a lie" - inspired, magic, excellent -
encapsulates my hypocrisy point pretty well spot on - I may quote you
Gav.)
I think we've established that here (and in Harris) "faith" is being
used in the "Blind Faith" / unquestioning sense, but we've also just
agreed there is a level of interpretation in what is claimed to be
believed over what may actually be believed. But we're playing
definitional games around the edges - as we always end up doing.
Perhaps I could re-word Gav's "Faith is experiential knowledge" ?
Are you trying to say "True faith (the quality kind, not the blind
kind) is faith in real experience (the Jamesian / Pirsigian,
participatory kind)".
Reclaiming a good word may be better that casting around for another -
there are never enough words to go round.
Ian
On 1/24/08, david buchanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> gav said:
> i think we need to use a different word. 'faith' doesn't fit the bill.
> 'faith' is experiential knowledge. 'belief' gets closer to what you are
> talking about - every belief contains a lie.
>
> dmb says:
> Faith is experiential knowledge? I don't think you'll find much support for
> that definition. The word can also mean loyalty, one's religion or express a
> certain level of trust but nobody thinks faith is experiential knowledge and
> the particular dictionary definition I'm using says faith is the very
> opposite of experiential knowledge. In any case, the problem that I'm talking
> about is belief in the absence of any such knowledge or even despite evidence
> to the contrary. Examples include the assertion that Jesus born of a virgin
> and died for your sins, that God created the world in 6 days just a few
> thousand years ago, and that communion wine turns into blood when a believer
> drinks it. That's the kind of faith I'm talking about, anyway.
>
> I think there is a much better way to refer to experiential knowledge. Why
> not just call it experiential knowledge? If that's what it is, wouldn't it
> just confuse things to call it faith? Aussie dictionaries and conventions
> can't be different to that extent, can they?
>
>
>
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