Ron said: ...its interpretation of data or interpretation of experience that's key. One person's miracle is another's lite lunch. If evidence is the only qualifier between faith and reason who's to say whose interpretation trumps if the data is the same but the explanation varies?
dmb says: Well, that's just it. That's the kind of debate worth having, one that might lead to some good. When both sides are working with reason and evidence, nobody really looses. The end of faith means the beginning of a philosophical conversation. And when both sides have the data on their side equally the aesthetic considerations, further explorations and creativity come into play. This is the desired end in the battle against faith. This is about the evolutionary freedom of the intellect, see?. Ron : I see where you are coming from. dmb says: I don't understand why you can't just show them the evidence for electrons. Search the web and print out a few things. I've never tried myself but I'd bet you could do it in less than an hour. Ron: Well this was just a for instance but it is still considered Electron theory by science. I can't remember where the quote Came from but it goes like this: "It is not important that these findings are true what is Important is that the methods for prediction correspond With observable phenomena." dmb says: The other day I heard Peter Fonda talking about his childhood. Apparently, Henry Fonda was a christian scientist. When Peter, Jane and the other kids got sick he not only refused to give them any medicine, he made them believe that their suffering was caused by their own spiritual shortcomings. He did this to children, to his own children! That's cruel and immoral. That's child abuse and it is very far from reasonable, let alone "air tight". It's probably safe to say that this theology has killed a few people and some of them were probably kids too young to fight back. As Christopher Hitchens says, religion poisons everything. Not least of all, families. Ron: I agree, I was saying that Christian Science has a lot of experience Defending their beliefs, their argument, from their own perspective Is solid because they use just enough philosophy to justify Their stand. I'm just playing devils advocate here, I am on Your side of the discussion. These folks are dug in. Convincing them of their own disillusion is a tough nut. _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
