Ron: Biological context from a social perspective would qualify I think. We are able to derive meaning because we share evolutional instinct at a social level. I'm down with that.
[Krimel] That works but I was thinking more about how we use space. The distance we leave between us. The postures we adopt, the way we arrange space. Indians saw the world as circular and lived in circular spaces. We see a Euclidian world carved into lines and plains. We select spaces or create them because of their nonverbal effects; cathedrals to make us feel small; counters to give us status; places of power to evoke mood, that sort of thing. Ron: I've been contemplating this all weekend, manifesting in my last post to Marsha about "intent". The eastern Martial Masters have focused on this. They say with form comes intent. The more developed the intent the more Powerful the form the more successful the action: "The saying, "The arts aid the body," is for samurai of other regions. For samurai of the Nabeshima clan the arts bring ruin to the body. In all cases, the person who practices an art is an artist, not a samurai, and one should have the intention of being called a samurai. When one has the conviction that even the slightest artful ability is harmful to the samurai, all the arts become useful to him. One should understand this sort of thing." Ron: This is where I disagree with Hams focus. He focuses on the derivation Of meaning in the knowledge of source, Pirsig, I believe by using Terms like care and gumption, place meaning in the development of Intent much like the eastern martial practices. It is firmly rooted in the dynamic: "By inconsistency and frivolity we stray from the Way and show ourselves to be beginners. In this we do much harm." "How should a person respond when he is asked, "As a human being, what is essential in terms of purpose and discipline?" First, let us say, "It is to become of the mind that is right now pure and lacking complications." People in general all seem to be dejected. When one has a pure and uncomplicated mind, his expression will be lively. When one is attending to matters, there is one thing that comes forth from his heart. That is, in terms of one's lord, loyalty; in terms of one's parents, filial piety; in martial affairs, bravery ; and apart from that, something that can be used by all the world. This is very difficult to discover. Once discovered, it is again difficult to keep in constant effect. There is nothing outside the thought of the immediate moment." Above all, the Way of the Samurai should be in being aware that you do not know what is going to happen next, and in querying every item day and night. Although all things are not to be judged in this manner, I mention it in the investigation of the Way of the Samurai. When the time comes, there is no moment for reasoning. And if you have not done your inquiring beforehand , there is most often shame. Reading books and listening to people's talk are for the purpose of prior resolution. Ron: Thus is intellectuality to be used in MoQ, for purposes of prior resolution In immediate experience. This is what is meant by intent. But back to your statement, it is difficult for me to imagine the power Of form without contextual meaning, in all the instances you gave. Perhaps going alittle deeper on the subject, I think spacial relations Differ with geography, mountain folk valuing space differently than Plainsman or even desert dwellers, gothic cathedrals are reminiscent of Of open areas in heavily forested regions of visigothic realms. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
