Ron,
Excellent post! This is also why I stated ideas
are art, not just words, if we are going to be
particular. Art can be layed out on paper, but I'm
talking about art in the mind before it is finished on
paper. Art is a set of ideas that the artist
visualizes in the mind with a whole array of meaning.
Mozart thought with sounds. He didn't only think in
terms of words and then somehow those words turned
into musical sounds. His musical sounds also coincide
with plays, as operas play out musical sounds. Music
in the mind of an artist dances with participants in a
play in an effort to transfer ideas, not just by
words, but allowing the music to steer the course,
too. These plays are not just for stage, plays are
also mirroring the experience of how somebody may look
at the world. Sometimes while I'm doing something and
I look around at what I'm involved in a certain song
may come to mind, a song without words, that provides
just the right meaning for me as to what's happening
that moment. It's not just the song (music), but how
everybody is walking, moving their hands, what kind of
event is happening down to the details.
SA
> Ron:
> Biological context from a social perspective would
> qualify I think. We
> are able to derive meaning because we share
> evolutional instinct at a
> social level. I'm down with that.
>
> [Krimel]
> That works but I was thinking more about how we use
> space. The distance
> we
> leave between us. The postures we adopt, the way we
> arrange space.
> Indians
> saw the world as circular and lived in circular
> spaces. We see a
> Euclidian
> world carved into lines and plains. We select spaces
> or create them
> because
> of their nonverbal effects; cathedrals to make us
> feel small; counters
> to
> give us status; places of power to evoke mood, that
> sort of thing.
>
> Ron:
> I've been contemplating this all weekend,
> manifesting in my last post to
> Marsha about "intent". The eastern Martial Masters
> have focused on this.
> They say with form comes intent. The more developed
> the intent the more
> Powerful the form the more successful the action:
>
> "The saying, "The arts aid the body," is for samurai
> of other regions.
> For samurai of the Nabeshima
> clan the arts bring ruin to the body. In all cases,
> the person who
> practices an art is an artist, not a
> samurai, and one should have the intention of being
> called a samurai.
> When one has the conviction that even the slightest
> artful ability is
> harmful to the samurai, all the
> arts become useful to him. One should understand
> this sort of thing."
>
> Ron:
> This is where I disagree with Hams focus. He focuses
> on the derivation
> Of meaning in the knowledge of source, Pirsig, I
> believe by using
> Terms like care and gumption, place meaning in the
> development of
> Intent much like the eastern martial practices. It
> is firmly rooted in
> the dynamic:
>
> "By inconsistency and frivolity we stray from the
> Way and show ourselves
> to be beginners. In this we do much harm."
>
> "How should a person respond when he is asked, "As a
> human being, what
> is essential in terms of purpose and discipline?"
> First, let us say, "It
> is to become of the mind that is right now pure and
> lacking
> complications." People in general all seem to be
> dejected. When one has
> a pure and uncomplicated mind, his expression will
> be lively. When one
> is attending to matters, there is one thing that
> comes forth from his
> heart. That is, in terms of one's lord, loyalty; in
> terms of one's
> parents, filial piety; in martial affairs, bravery ;
> and apart from
> that, something that can be used by all the world.
> This is very difficult to discover. Once discovered,
> it is again
> difficult to keep in constant effect.
> There is nothing outside the thought of the
> immediate moment."
>
> Above all, the Way of the Samurai should be in being
> aware that you do
> not know what is going to happen next, and in
> querying every item day
> and night.
> Although all things are not to be judged in this
> manner, I mention it in
> the investigation of the Way of the Samurai. When
> the time comes, there
> is no moment for reasoning. And if you have not done
> your inquiring
> beforehand , there is most often shame. Reading
> books and listening to
> people's talk
> are for the purpose of prior resolution.
>
> Ron:
> Thus is intellectuality to be used in MoQ, for
> purposes of prior
> resolution
> In immediate experience. This is what is meant by
> intent.
>
> But back to your statement, it is difficult for me
> to imagine the power
> Of form without contextual meaning, in all the
> instances you gave.
> Perhaps going alittle deeper on the subject, I think
> spacial relations
> Differ with geography, mountain folk valuing space
> differently than
> Plainsman or even desert dwellers, gothic cathedrals
> are reminiscent of
> Of open areas in heavily forested regions of
> visigothic realms.
>
>
>
>
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