Peter said to dmb: ...the 'experience of not being able to walk through is more real than the "wall"'. SOM is an indispensable convention that we are hard wired with. You can't have mind without matter and vice-versa; I acknowledge spirit only in terms of intentionality. What will be the characteristics of those beings who are not limited by SOM?
dmb says: SOM is hard wired? I'd say that "mind" and "matter" are just like the "wall". They're an interpretation of the qualities felt in experience. The same idea applies to mind, matter, walls or anything else one could name. Like I said, rejecting SOM in no way denies the experience from which these ideas are derived, it is simply a matter of stepping back to see that subjects and objects are conventional interpretations of experience rather than the cause of experience. The MOQ says that experience comes first, that experience IS reality. I suppose there are at least two kinds of "beings" who are not limited by SOM; philosophers and mystics. In other words, rejecting SOM can be a matter of thinking it through or it can be rejected on the basis of an experience wherein all dualisms evaporate in favor of unity or the One. If you're an infant, a dog or if you were raised by Buddhists in Japan then the limits of SOM simply don't figure into the equation. Thanks. _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch when you're away with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger2_072008 Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
