On Saturday 28 March 2009 9:04 PM Markhsmit writes to Joe: Hi Joe, > > I'm still having difficulty understanding the evolution of Quality. > This would imply to me that new Quality is being formed, Quality > that did not exist before. Has Quality evolved in the last 5000 > years? I am seriously asking this because it does not fit with my > current understanding, which may be erroneously Eastern (like the > Tao) at this point.. I am rereading Lila which may help me out. My > conception of harmony is the temporary coalescence of Quality. This > coalescence and dissipation is ongoing, an ebb and flow kind of > thing, rather than growth. > > Thanks,
Hi Markhsmit, and All, I will ask you a question. What tool are you using to try to understand the evolution of quality? SOM posits a distinction between body and mind, between real existence and intentional existence. Evolution of quality is not understandable using a metaphysics based on a mind/body division. MOQ proposes an evolutionary law of order. Each manifestation in evolution combines DQundefined/SQdefined. The existence of the evolutionary order is real, not the supposed intentional existence created by a mind to give reality to an idea of order. An inorganic rock exists in a different evolutionary order from an organic flower. Time is not creative in cataloguing change, e,g, give it time. Space does not create dimensions. These are my thoughts as I discuss a metaphysics of quality, MOQ. Joe On 3/28/09 9:04 PM, "markhsmit" <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Joe, > > I'm still having difficulty understanding the evolution of Quality. This > would imply to me that new Quality is being formed, Quality that did not exist > before. Has Quality evolved in the last 5000 years? I am seriously asking > this because it does not fit with my current understanding, which may > be erroneously Eastern (like the Tao) at this point.. I am rereading Lila > which may help me out. My conception of harmony is the > temporary coalescence of Quality. This coalescence and dissipation is > ongoing, an ebb and flow kind of thing, rather than growth. > > Thanks, > > Willblake2 > > > On Mar 28, 2009, at 10:25:30 AM, "Joseph Maurer" <[email protected]> wrote: > From: "Joseph Maurer" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MD] Quality and Free Will > Date: March 28, 2009 10:25:30 AM PDT > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > On Friday 27 March 2009 10:36 PM Markhsmit writes: > > <snip> >> Why does Quality trend towards harmony, or growth, or being in >> phase? That is obvious. The intense love between between two >> people is the sharing and harmonic growth of Quality. Quality loves >> itself, it runs with the pack. > >> Is there anybody out there to harmonize with this post? > > Hi Markhsmit, > > The existence of quality also evolves to distinct levels. That makes > harmony possible. Different levels of existence. > > Joe > > > > On 3/27/09 10:34 PM, "markhsmit" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Thanks Joe, >> >> That's exactly what I meant! Nothing (left) to lose, not even Bobby.. >> >> Quality (as expressed through free will) trends towards harmonics (for lack >> of >> a better word). This harmony has no human value associated with it, it can >> be bad or good, beautiful or ugly. It attracts and connects, reverberates >> and >> grows in a crowd. It is the reason for the crowd, and then it subsides. >> Quality is like a wave, when it meets similar waves of itself, it is >> additive (does not cancel) and Quality Grows. Take for example an orchestra >> playing in the same key, the individual music is additive and intoxicating >> for >> the players and crowd (who add to the growth of the Quality). Take for >> example a group of people enjoying a hike, the Quality shared between is >> additive, its much more fun to share. Quality is additive in a football >> stadium amongst the crowd, and is additive in a panic during a fire. Quality >> seeks this harmony. Harmonic Quality is present during a presidential >> election, and on a battlefield to the death. Harmonic Quality is the reason >> religions and philosophies grow. It is the reason for communal greed >> and possessiveness, for the shared fear of death. >> >> Quality is shared through the exchange of ideas, it can be considered >> contagious except that it is not passed along, but is the source. Language >> is >> the vector for exchange. Ever meditated with a group of monks? >> It's incredible. That is the harmonic growth of Quality. It's how Quality >> trends. We know when we are in this group Quality, we feel swept away, part >> of a larger thing. We know exactly what it is. We stick together and >> consider our Quality to be better than those others, it is the way it works. >> We seek like-minded because of this tendency of Quality. Our free will, is >> to grow that wave, or not. >> >> Quality is the reason mass is condensed energy; it is energy, (or atoms if >> you >> will) in harmony. Quality is the reason the sun coalesces into a ball of >> flame, and why the planets circle together continuously (resembling a wave, >> mathematically). It is the reason galaxies spiral. It is action shared, it >> is in harmony, because that is its tendency. >> >> Quality arrises from nowhere. Where is the wave on a guitar string before it >> is plucked? the music? The same place Quality is. The string is struck and >> sound comes forth, in the same way the wave of Quality appears out of >> nowhere. >> When guitar strings mix, you have music, if it fits together (like minded) >> it >> grows. Where are the waves on a still lake. They are there as potential.. >> Where is the electron when it is not there? It is there, it is simply a >> flat >> wave (straight line), but there. Where am I when I'm not here? It's the >> same >> thing. >> >> Why does Quality trend towards harmony, or growth, or being in phase? That >> is >> obvious. The intense love between between two people is the sharing and >> harmonic growth of Quality. Quality loves itself, it runs with the pack.. >> >> Is there anybody out there to harmonize with this post? >> >> Oh, well... >> >> Willblake2 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mar 27, 2009, at 12:22:21 PM, "Joseph Maurer" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> On Thursday 26 March 2009 10:59 PM Markhsmit writes to all: >> >>> Free will, which is another name for Quality, provides us with the >>> will to believe. We are free to believe in God, in Evolution, in >>> Happiness.. We are free to believe that scientific positivism is >>> the only reality, or one of many. Quality arrises in us through >>> Intent. Sometimes this Intent makes it as far as >>> our intellectual mind. We consider choices, and make them. Every >>> choice shuts down the alternative (you can't gain something without >>> losing something), but the choices thereafter are infinite. We take >>> the left fork in the path of an ever forking road. That free will >>> is Quality's expression. That free will began long before us. >>> Sometimes we call it Chance, or Chaos, or the Divine, or Self >>> Assembly, or a Selective Process. All Selective Processes are no >>> different from our own. They are all free will. >> >> >> Hi Markhsmit, >> >> A song to ponder: >> >> Busted flat in Baton Rouge waiting for a train, >> Feeling just as faded as my Jeans! >> Bobby thumbed a Diesel down just before it rained. >> Took us all the way to New Orleans! >> >> I took my Harpoon out of my dirty red bandana, >> And was playing soft while Bobby sang the Blues! >> With those windshield wipers slapping time, >> And Bobby¹s hand enclosed in mine, >> We sang-up every song that driver knew >> >> Freedom¹s just another word for nothing left to lose! >> Freedom ain¹t worth nothing! But it¹s free! >> Feeling Good! Was easy, Lord! when Bobby sang the blues! >> Brother that was good enough for me! >> Good enough for me, and Bobby McGhee! >> >> Joe >> >> >> On 3/26/09 10:59 PM, "markhsmit" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Free will, which is another name for Quality, provides us with the will to >>> believe. We are free to believe in God, in Evolution, in Happiness.... We >>> are >>> free to believe that scientific positivism is the only reality, or one of >>> many. Quality arrises in us through Intent. Sometimes this Intent makes it >>> as far as our intellectual mind. We consider choices, and make them. Every >>> choice shuts down the alternative (you can't gain something without losing >>> something), but the choices thereafter are infinite. We take the left fork >>> in >>> the path of an ever forking road. That free will is Quality's expression.. >>> That free will began long before us. Sometimes we call it Chance, or >>> Chaos, >>> or the Divine, or Self Assembly, or a Selective Process. All Selective >>> Processes are no different from our own. They are all free will. >>> >>> Willblake2 >>> >>> >>> On Mar 19, 2009, at 9:30:14 PM, markhsmit <[email protected]> wrote: >>> From: markhsmit <[email protected]> >>> Subject: [MD] Quality and Free Will >>> Date: March 19, 2009 9:30:14 PM PDT >>> To: [email protected] >>> Quality exists. We break it down into subjective patterns to discuss it, >>> little boxed systems. We interpret Quality through our senses, our dynamic >>> interplay with what is. It is this subjective patterning that is our true >>> free will, we are free to interpret the way things seem. In fact that is >>> the >>> only free will we have. Whether we turn right or left, feel good or bad, >>> makes no difference because we are still within our interpretation. However >>> that interpretation can change on a dime. >>> >>> Why does that freedom of interpretation exist? Does it exist in everything. >>> Does it exist in Quality? How much of it is free? How much do we have >>> rational control over? How much does survival control our freedom? >>> >>> At the interface of what's outside us and within is constant communication. >>> That communication results in feelings (or emotions, passions). Our >>> intellectual brains are extensions of those feelings, nothing more, which >>> break them up into a million parts. When I change my mind or become >>> temporarily enlightened, it's not because I have collected enough facts (how >>> many is enough?), it's because it feels right. Our free will comes from the >>> interface. It is neither within nor without, it is that dynamic interplay. >>> It is like music which comes from the interface of the speaker and the air, >>> or the interface of the air and our eardrums. Somewhere in between.. Free >>> will is no more our actions than the forces outside, it comes from somewhere >>> in between, and we feel it. It is that freewill that creates Quality. 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