On Saturday 28 March 2009 9:04 PM Markhsmit writes to Joe:
Hi Joe,
>
> I'm still having difficulty understanding the evolution of Quality.
> This would imply to me that new Quality is being formed, Quality
> that did not exist before. Has Quality evolved in the last 5000
> years? I am seriously asking this because it does not fit with my
> current understanding, which may be erroneously Eastern (like the
> Tao) at this point.. I am rereading Lila which may help me out. My
> conception of harmony is the temporary coalescence of Quality. This
> coalescence and dissipation is ongoing, an ebb and flow kind of
> thing, rather than growth.
>
> Thanks,
Hi Markhsmit, and All,
I will ask you a question. What tool are you using to try to understand the
evolution of quality? SOM posits a distinction between body and mind,
between real existence and intentional existence. Evolution of quality is
not understandable using a metaphysics based on a mind/body division.
MOQ proposes an evolutionary law of order. Each manifestation in evolution
combines DQundefined/SQdefined. The existence of the evolutionary order is
real, not the supposed intentional existence created by a mind to give
reality to an idea of order. An inorganic rock exists in a different
evolutionary order from an organic flower. Time is not creative in
cataloguing change, e,g, give it time. Space does not create dimensions.
These are my thoughts as I discuss a metaphysics of quality, MOQ.
Joe
On 3/28/09 9:04 PM, "markhsmit" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Joe,
>
> I'm still having difficulty understanding the evolution of Quality. This
> would imply to me that new Quality is being
formed, Quality that did not exist
> before. Has Quality evolved in the last 5000 years? I am seriously asking
> this because it does not fit with my current understanding, which may
> be erroneously Eastern (like the Tao) at this point.. I am rereading Lila
> which may help me out. My conception of harmony is the
> temporary coalescence of Quality. This coalescence and dissipation is
> ongoing, an ebb and flow kind of thing, rather than growth.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Willblake2
>
>
> On Mar 28, 2009, at 10:25:30 AM, "Joseph
Maurer" <[email protected]> wrote:
> From: "Joseph Maurer" <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [MD] Quality and Free Will
> Date: March 28, 2009 10:25:30 AM PDT
> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> On Friday 27 March 2009 10:36 PM Markhsmit writes:
>
> <snip>
>> Why does Quality trend towards harmony, or growth, or being in
>> phase? That is obvious. The intense love between between two
>> people is the sharing and harmonic growth of Quality. Quality loves
>> itself, it runs with the pack.
>
>> Is there anybody out there to harmonize with this post?
>
> Hi Markhsmit,
>
> The existence of quality also evolves to distinct levels. That makes
> harmony possible. Different levels of existence.
>
> Joe
>
>
>
> On 3/27/09 10:34 PM, "markhsmit" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Joe,
>>
>> That's exactly what I meant! Nothing (left) to lose, not even Bobby..
>>
>> Quality (as expressed through free will)
trends towards harmonics (for lack
>> of
>> a better word). This harmony has no human
value associated with it, it can
>> be bad or good, beautiful or ugly. It attracts and connects, reverberates
>> and
>> grows in a crowd. It is the reason for the crowd, and then it subsides.
>> Quality is like a wave, when it meets similar waves of itself, it is
>> additive (does not cancel) and Quality
Grows. Take for example an orchestra
>> playing in the same key, the individual music is additive and intoxicating
>> for
>> the players and crowd (who add to the growth of the Quality). Take for
>> example a group of people enjoying a hike, the Quality shared between is
>> additive, its much more fun to share. Quality is additive in a football
>> stadium amongst the crowd, and is additive
in a panic during a fire. Quality
>> seeks this harmony. Harmonic Quality is present during a presidential
>> election, and on a battlefield to the
death. Harmonic Quality is the reason
>> religions and philosophies grow. It is the reason for communal greed
>> and possessiveness, for the shared fear of death.
>>
>> Quality is shared through the exchange of ideas, it can be considered
>> contagious except that it is not passed
along, but is the source. Language
>> is
>> the vector for exchange. Ever meditated with a group of monks?
>> It's incredible. That is the harmonic
growth of Quality. It's how Quality
>> trends. We know when we are in this group
Quality, we feel swept away, part
>> of a larger thing. We know exactly what it is. We stick together and
>> consider our Quality to be better than those
others, it is the way it works.
>> We seek like-minded because of this
tendency of Quality. Our free will, is
>> to grow that wave, or not.
>>
>> Quality is the reason mass is condensed energy; it is energy, (or atoms if
>> you
>> will) in harmony. Quality is the reason the sun coalesces into a ball of
>> flame, and why the planets circle together
continuously (resembling a wave,
>> mathematically). It is the reason galaxies
spiral. It is action shared, it
>> is in harmony, because that is its tendency.
>>
>> Quality arrises from nowhere. Where is the
wave on a guitar string before it
>> is plucked? the music? The same place
Quality is. The string is struck and
>> sound comes forth, in the same way the wave of Quality appears out of
>> nowhere.
>> When guitar strings mix, you have music, if
it fits together (like minded)
>> it
>> grows. Where are the waves on a still
lake. They are there as potential..
>> Where is the electron when it is not there? It is there, it is simply a
>> flat
>> wave (straight line), but there. Where am I when I'm not here? It's the
>> same
>> thing.
>>
>> Why does Quality trend towards harmony, or
growth, or being in phase? That
>> is
>> obvious. The intense love between between two people is the sharing and
>> harmonic growth of Quality. Quality loves itself, it runs with the pack..
>>
>> Is there anybody out there to harmonize with this post?
>>
>> Oh, well...
>>
>> Willblake2
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 27, 2009, at 12:22:21 PM, "Joseph
Maurer" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> On Thursday 26 March 2009 10:59 PM Markhsmit writes to all:
>>
>>> Free will, which is another name for Quality, provides us with the
>>> will to believe. We are free to believe in God, in Evolution, in
>>> Happiness.. We are free to believe that scientific positivism is
>>> the only reality, or one of many. Quality arrises in us through
>>> Intent. Sometimes this Intent makes it as far as
>>> our intellectual mind. We consider choices, and make them. Every
>>> choice shuts down the alternative (you can't gain something without
>>> losing something), but the choices thereafter are infinite. We take
>>> the left fork in the path of an ever forking road. That free will
>>> is Quality's expression. That free will began long before us.
>>> Sometimes we call it Chance, or Chaos, or the Divine, or Self
>>> Assembly, or a Selective Process. All Selective Processes are no
>>> different from our own. They are all free will.
>>
>>
>> Hi Markhsmit,
>>
>> A song to ponder:
>>
>> Busted flat in Baton Rouge waiting for a train,
>> Feeling just as faded as my Jeans!
>> Bobby thumbed a Diesel down just before it rained.
>> Took us all the way to New Orleans!
>>
>> I took my Harpoon out of my dirty red bandana,
>> And was playing soft while Bobby sang the Blues!
>> With those windshield wipers slapping time,
>> And Bobby¹s hand enclosed in mine,
>> We sang-up every song that driver knew
>>
>> Freedom¹s just another word for nothing left to lose!
>> Freedom ain¹t worth nothing! But it¹s free!
>> Feeling Good! Was easy, Lord! when Bobby sang the blues!
>> Brother that was good enough for me!
>> Good enough for me, and Bobby McGhee!
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>
>> On 3/26/09 10:59 PM, "markhsmit" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Free will, which is another name for
Quality, provides us with the will to
>>> believe. We are free to believe in God, in
Evolution, in Happiness.... We
>>> are
>>> free to believe that scientific positivism is the only reality, or one of
>>> many. Quality arrises in us through
Intent. Sometimes this Intent makes it
>>> as far as our intellectual mind. We
consider choices, and make them. Every
>>> choice shuts down the alternative (you
can't gain something without losing
>>> something), but the choices thereafter are
infinite. We take the left fork
>>> in
>>> the path of an ever forking road. That
free will is Quality's expression..
>>> That free will began long before us. Sometimes we call it Chance, or
>>> Chaos,
>>> or the Divine, or Self Assembly, or a Selective Process. All Selective
>>> Processes are no different from our own. They are all free will.
>>>
>>> Willblake2
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 19, 2009, at 9:30:14 PM, markhsmit <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> From: markhsmit <[email protected]>
>>> Subject: [MD] Quality and Free Will
>>> Date: March 19, 2009 9:30:14 PM PDT
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> Quality exists. We break it down into subjective patterns to discuss it,
>>> little boxed systems. We interpret Quality
through our senses, our dynamic
>>> interplay with what is. It is this
subjective patterning that is our true
>>> free will, we are free to interpret the way things seem. In fact that is
>>> the
>>> only free will we have. Whether we turn right or left, feel good or bad,
>>> makes no difference because we are still
within our interpretation. However
>>> that interpretation can change on a dime.
>>>
>>> Why does that freedom of interpretation
exist? Does it exist in everything.
>>> Does it exist in Quality? How much of it is free? How much do we have
>>> rational control over? How much does survival control our freedom?
>>>
>>> At the interface of what's outside us and
within is constant communication.
>>> That communication results in feelings (or emotions, passions). Our
>>> intellectual brains are extensions of those feelings, nothing more, which
>>> break them up into a million parts. When I change my mind or become
>>> temporarily enlightened, it's not because I
have collected enough facts (how
>>> many is enough?), it's because it feels
right. Our free will comes from the
>>> interface. It is neither within nor
without, it is that dynamic interplay.
>>> It is like music which comes from the
interface of the speaker and the air,
>>> or the interface of the air and our
eardrums. Somewhere in between.. Free
>>> will is no more our actions than the forces
outside, it comes from somewhere
>>> in between, and we feel it. It is that
freewill that creates Quality. Free
>>> will is Quality.
>>>
>>> Willblake2
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