On Mar 29, 2009, at 12:54:30 PM, "Joseph Maurer" <[email protected]> wrote: On Saturday 28 March 2009 9:04 PM Markhsmit writes to Joe:
Hi Joe, > > I'm still having difficulty understanding the evolution of Quality. > This would imply to me that new Quality is being formed, Quality > that did not exist before. Has Quality evolved in the last 5000 > years? I am seriously asking this because it does not fit with my > current understanding, which may be erroneously Eastern (like the > Tao) at this point.. I am rereading Lila which may help me out. My > conception of harmony is the temporary coalescence of Quality. This > coalescence and dissipation is ongoing, an ebb and flow kind of > thing, rather than growth. > > Thanks, Hi Markhsmit, and All, I will ask you a question. What tool are you using to try to understand the evolution of quality? SOM posits a distinction between body and mind, between real existence and intentional existence. Evolution of quality is not understandable using a metaphysics based on a mind/body division. MOQ proposes an evolutionary law of order. Each manifestation in evolution combines DQundefined/SQdefined. The existence of the evolutionary order is real, not the supposed intentional existence created by a mind to give reality to an idea of order. An inorganic rock exists in a different evolutionary order from an organic flower. Time is not creative in cataloguing change, e,g, give it time. Space does not create dimensions. These are my thoughts as I discuss a metaphysics of quality, MOQ. Joe Thanks Joe, This is a good place to start. The tool I am using is dialogue. Perhaps it is the burden of scientific training that I carry, but I have trouble with an evolutionary law of order. In physics we learn that the tendency of everything is towards greater disorder or increased entropy. If we apply Quality only to life, then there is an increasing disorder as more species are being formed. If what MOQ means is order in terms of complexity, then maybe I can understand, at least for a part of what I experience. Evolution, in my mind, implies a tendency. Such as the evolution of gas from liquid when heat is applied. Or the evolution of life to match the evolution of life (or natural selection). It is this tendency of Quality that I have difficulty with. That there is somehow a hierarchy in Quality. I don't believe that I am in denial of the non-duality of all, and believe consciousness (for lack of a better word) to be the expression of all. What I do have trouble with is the notion that Quality is changing over time. Perhaps the word evolution is not the correct one to use in terms of Quality, at least for my understanding. I would like to carry MOQ beyond the authors' start, which I believe is the purpose of this forum. Pirsig has planted a seed. This concept of evolution requires a bit more work in my mind. Thanks Willblake2 Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
