Hi Marsha,
Thanks for the link
Joe
On 3/29/09 1:21 PM, "MarshaV" <[email protected]> wrote:
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> At 03:54 PM 3/29/2009, you wrote:
>> On Saturday 28 March 2009 9:04 PM Markhsmit writes to Joe:
>>
>> Hi Joe,
>>>
>>> I'm still having difficulty understanding the evolution of Quality.
>>> This would imply to me that new Quality is being formed, Quality
>>> that did not exist before. Has Quality evolved in the last 5000
>>> years? I am seriously asking this because it does not fit with my
>>> current understanding, which may be erroneously Eastern (like the
>>> Tao) at this point.. I am rereading Lila which may help me out. My
>>> conception of harmony is the temporary coalescence of Quality. This
>>> coalescence and dissipation is ongoing, an ebb and flow kind of
>>> thing, rather than growth.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>
>> Hi Markhsmit, and All,
>>
>> I will ask you a question. What tool are
you using to try to understand the
>> evolution of quality? SOM posits a distinction between body and mind,
>> between real existence and intentional existence. Evolution of quality is
>> not understandable using a metaphysics based on a mind/body division.
>>
>> MOQ proposes an evolutionary law of
order. Each manifestation in evolution
>> combines DQundefined/SQdefined. The existence of the evolutionary order is
>> real, not the supposed intentional existence created by a mind to give
>> reality to an idea of order. An inorganic rock exists in a different
>> evolutionary order from an organic flower. Time is not creative in
>> cataloguing change, e,g, give it time. Space does not create dimensions..
>>
>> These are my thoughts as I discuss a metaphysics of quality, MOQ.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> On 3/28/09 9:04 PM, "markhsmit" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Joe,
>>>
>>> I'm still having difficulty understanding the evolution of Quality. This
>>> would imply to me that new Quality is being
>> formed, Quality that did not exist
>>> before. Has Quality evolved in the last
5000 years? I am seriously asking
>>> this because it does not fit with my current understanding, which may
>>> be erroneously Eastern (like the Tao) at
this point.. I am rereading Lila
>>> which may help me out. My conception of harmony is the
>>> temporary coalescence of Quality. This coalescence and dissipation is
>>> ongoing, an ebb and flow kind of thing, rather than growth.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Willblake2
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 28, 2009, at 10:25:30 AM, "Joseph
>> Maurer" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> From: "Joseph Maurer" <[email protected]>
>>> Subject: Re: [MD] Quality and Free Will
>>> Date: March 28, 2009 10:25:30 AM PDT
>>> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
>>> On Friday 27 March 2009 10:36 PM Markhsmit writes:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>> Why does Quality trend towards harmony, or growth, or being in
>>>> phase? That is obvious. The intense love between between two
>>>> people is the sharing and harmonic growth of Quality. Quality loves
>>>> itself, it runs with the pack.
>>>
>>>> Is there anybody out there to harmonize with this post?
>>>
>>> Hi Markhsmit,
>>>
>>> The existence of quality also evolves to distinct levels. That makes
>>> harmony possible. Different levels of existence.
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/27/09 10:34 PM, "markhsmit" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Joe,
>>>>
>>>> That's exactly what I meant! Nothing (left) to lose, not even Bobby..
>>>>
>>>> Quality (as expressed through free will)
>> trends towards harmonics (for lack
>>>> of
>>>> a better word). This harmony has no human
>> value associated with it, it can
>>>> be bad or good, beautiful or ugly. It
attracts and connects, reverberates
>>>> and
>>>> grows in a crowd. It is the reason for the crowd, and then it subsides.
>>>> Quality is like a wave, when it meets similar waves of itself, it is
>>>> additive (does not cancel) and Quality
>> Grows. Take for example an orchestra
>>>> playing in the same key, the individual
music is additive and intoxicating
>>>> for
>>>> the players and crowd (who add to the growth of the Quality). Take for
>>>> example a group of people enjoying a hike, the Quality shared between is
>>>> additive, its much more fun to share. Quality is additive in a football
>>>> stadium amongst the crowd, and is additive
>> in a panic during a fire. Quality
>>>> seeks this harmony. Harmonic Quality is present during a presidential
>>>> election, and on a battlefield to the
>> death. Harmonic Quality is the reason
>>>> religions and philosophies grow. It is the reason for communal greed
>>>> and possessiveness, for the shared fear of death.
>>>>
>>>> Quality is shared through the exchange of ideas, it can be considered
>>>> contagious except that it is not passed
>> along, but is the source. Language
>>>> is
>>>> the vector for exchange. Ever meditated with a group of monks?
>>>> It's incredible. That is the harmonic
>> growth of Quality. It's how Quality
>>>> trends. We know when we are in this group
>> Quality, we feel swept away, part
>>>> of a larger thing. We know exactly what it is. We stick together and
>>>> consider our Quality to be better than those
>> others, it is the way it works.
>>>> We seek like-minded because of this
>> tendency of Quality. Our free will, is
>>>> to grow that wave, or not.
>>>>
>>>> Quality is the reason mass is condensed
energy; it is energy, (or atoms if
>>>> you
>>>> will) in harmony. Quality is the reason
the sun coalesces into a ball of
>>>> flame, and why the planets circle together
>> continuously (resembling a wave,
>>>> mathematically). It is the reason galaxies
>> spiral. It is action shared, it
>>>> is in harmony, because that is its tendency.
>>>>
>>>> Quality arrises from nowhere. Where is the
>> wave on a guitar string before it
>>>> is plucked? the music? The same place
>> Quality is. The string is struck and
>>>> sound comes forth, in the same way the wave of Quality appears out of
>>>> nowhere.
>>>> When guitar strings mix, you have music, if
>> it fits together (like minded)
>>>> it
>>>> grows. Where are the waves on a still
>> lake. They are there as potential..
>>>> Where is the electron when it is not
there? It is there, it is simply a
>>>> flat
>>>> wave (straight line), but there. Where am
I when I'm not here? It's the
>>>> same
>>>> thing.
>>>>
>>>> Why does Quality trend towards harmony, or
>> growth, or being in phase? That
>>>> is
>>>> obvious. The intense love between between two people is the sharing and
>>>> harmonic growth of Quality. Quality loves
itself, it runs with the pack..
>>>>
>>>> Is there anybody out there to harmonize with this post?
>>>>
>>>> Oh, well...
>>>>
>>>> Willblake2
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 27, 2009, at 12:22:21 PM, "Joseph
>> Maurer" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday 26 March 2009 10:59 PM Markhsmit writes to all:
>>>>
>>>>> Free will, which is another name for Quality, provides us with the
>>>>> will to believe. We are free to believe in God, in Evolution, in
>>>>> Happiness.. We are free to believe that scientific positivism is
>>>>> the only reality, or one of many. Quality arrises in us through
>>>>> Intent. Sometimes this Intent makes it as far as
>>>>> our intellectual mind. We consider choices, and make them. Every
>>>>> choice shuts down the alternative (you can't gain something without
>>>>> losing something), but the choices thereafter are infinite. We take
>>>>> the left fork in the path of an ever forking road. That free will
>>>>> is Quality's expression. That free will began long before us.
>>>>> Sometimes we call it Chance, or Chaos, or the Divine, or Self
>>>>> Assembly, or a Selective Process. All Selective Processes are no
>>>>> different from our own. They are all free will.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Markhsmit,
>>>>
>>>> A song to ponder:
>>>>
>>>> Busted flat in Baton Rouge waiting for a train,
>>>> Feeling just as faded as my Jeans!
>>>> Bobby thumbed a Diesel down just before it rained.
>>>> Took us all the way to New Orleans!
>>>>
>>>> I took my Harpoon out of my dirty red bandana,
>>>> And was playing soft while Bobby sang the Blues!
>>>> With those windshield wipers slapping time,
>>>> And Bobby¹s hand enclosed in mine,
>>>> We sang-up every song that driver knew
>>>>
>>>> Freedom¹s just another word for nothing left to lose!
>>>> Freedom ain¹t worth nothing! But it¹s free!
>>>> Feeling Good! Was easy, Lord! when Bobby sang the blues!
>>>> Brother that was good enough for me!
>>>> Good enough for me, and Bobby McGhee!
>>>>
>>>> Joe
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 3/26/09 10:59 PM, "markhsmit" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Free will, which is another name for
>> Quality, provides us with the will to
>>>>> believe. We are free to believe in God, in
>> Evolution, in Happiness.... We
>>>>> are
>>>>> free to believe that scientific
positivism is the only reality, or one of
>>>>> many. Quality arrises in us through
>> Intent. Sometimes this Intent makes it
>>>>> as far as our intellectual mind. We
>> consider choices, and make them. Every
>>>>> choice shuts down the alternative (you
>> can't gain something without losing
>>>>> something), but the choices thereafter are
>> infinite. We take the left fork
>>>>> in
>>>>> the path of an ever forking road. That
>> free will is Quality's expression..
>>>>> That free will began long before us. Sometimes we call it Chance, or
>>>>> Chaos,
>>>>> or the Divine, or Self Assembly, or a Selective Process. All Selective
>>>>> Processes are no different from our own. They are all free will.
>>>>>
>>>>> Willblake2
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 19, 2009, at 9:30:14 PM, markhsmit <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> From: markhsmit <[email protected]>
>>>>> Subject: [MD] Quality and Free Will
>>>>> Date: March 19, 2009 9:30:14 PM PDT
>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>> Quality exists. We break it down into
subjective patterns to discuss it,
>>>>> little boxed systems. We interpret Quality
>> through our senses, our dynamic
>>>>> interplay with what is. It is this
>> subjective patterning that is our true
>>>>> free will, we are free to interpret the
way things seem. In fact that is
>>>>> the
>>>>> only free will we have. Whether we turn
right or left, feel good or bad,
>>>>> makes no difference because we are still
>> within our interpretation. However
>>>>> that interpretation can change on a dime.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why does that freedom of interpretation
>> exist? Does it exist in everything.
>>>>> Does it exist in Quality? How much of
it is free? How much do we have
>>>>> rational control over? How much does survival control our freedom?
>>>>>
>>>>> At the interface of what's outside us and
>> within is constant communication.
>>>>> That communication results in feelings (or emotions, passions). Our
>>>>> intellectual brains are extensions of
those feelings, nothing more, which
>>>>> break them up into a million parts. When I change my mind or become
>>>>> temporarily enlightened, it's not because I
>> have collected enough facts (how
>>>>> many is enough?), it's because it feels
>> right. Our free will comes from the
>>>>> interface. It is neither within nor
>> without, it is that dynamic interplay.
>>>>> It is like music which comes from the
>> interface of the speaker and the air,
>>>>> or the interface of the air and our
>> eardrums. Somewhere in between.. Free
>>>>> will is no more our actions than the forces
>> outside, it comes from somewhere
>>>>> in between, and we feel it. It is that
>> freewill that creates Quality. Free
>>>>> will is Quality.
>>>>>
>>>>> Willblake2
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