[Nick] Exactly. Now you getting the picture Arlo. I'm being serious. [Arlo] Good, then maybe you'll come out of your haze. Answer me, by WHOSE AUTHORITY is the land that you claim to be yours, in fact, "yours"? Why should an invading army recognize that claim? Why should I? Why should an Indian? You keep saying "my land, my land, my land" and I think you teter on the edge of a revelation, but you gotta step outta that haze.
[Nick] I never justified it Arlo. You lie. [Arlo] So you can't justify that you own stolen property? So why do you care if you lose it? Its full of blood, I'd think you want to do away with it. [Nick] If I could figure out who's land this was, the name of the person, and if all could do it and know exactly what land was there's I would be all for it. [Arlo] You know the Indians did not personally "own" land. The concept was idiotic to them. So give it back to the tribe. I can tell you who that is, if you're genuinely interested, but if you're gonna hide behind "tell me a name of an individual Indian", you're just playing games. [Nick] Ah, no Arlo. It's my natural right to have property. [Arlo] Ah, no Nick. Its not a "natural right". Its a civil right conferred by the construction of our civil government. "Man" lived for tens of thousands of years without "owning property". It is a recent, intellectual, development. The Indians who read what you write are laughing their arses off. [Nick] It's a basic need... [Arlo] Ah, no, Nick. So close to revelation but still so far. Many people live without owning property. It's hardly a "need". Food, water, shelter, yes. Property? No. [Nick] Now if I knew who's property this was before it was stolen and we all got together and did this. [Arlo] I'll find out the name of the tribe tomorrow. You'll be happy to know you can start paperwork for giving their property back to them later this week! [Nick] I don't want to be forced to do what I am willing to do voluntarily. [Arlo] Again, no one is forcing you to pay taxes. You can opt out, despite your ingenuine attempts to pretend you can't. [Nick] I live here Arlo. Why are you suggesting I run and hide from what I've established here? [Arlo] You're ancestors moved when they felt something better lay over the mountain. Go for it. There is a commune in your future, you can grow your own produce, share and barter the goods, and you'll never ever have to pay a penny in taxes again. [Nick] Or is it because you know if I try to not be coerced here the government WILL initiate physical coercion. [Arlo] Well, sure. "Here" you are reaping the benefits of a great civil infrastructure; roads, sidewalks, EMT and police, libraries, boating lanes, public lands, minimum wage, workplace safety, etc., so if you stay and play, you should have to pay. [Nick] No it's not Arlo. [Arlo] Yes, it IS. Nick. Despite your ongoing insistence that "government" is some malicious, parasitic demon, it simply is NOT. Government, "we the people", is a shared civil system enacted at the will of the people to provide an infrastructure and support that could NOT be handled by private funding. And it is GOOD. [Arlo previously] Your land according to WHO? [Nick] Me. It's my land you idiot. [Arlo] What? It's your land just because you say it is? Hoody Hoo! Yellowstone Park is MY LAND! [Arlo previously] Then pay your fair taxes and stay. [Nick] Or else Arlo will shoot you with a gun. [Arlo] When has this ever happened? If you don't want to pay your fair taxes, you can peaceably leave for a commune. [Nick] I see your insidious plan you pervert. [Arlo] Get back on the meds, Nick. Seriously. You are really coming apart. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
