there is no dichotomy - true/fiction , real/made-up. reality = what is made up - it is all made up, fiction. 'we are the imagination of ourselves' as our bill used to say.
(and i wouldn't call myself a philosopher; and if i did wouldn't identify myself as belonging to any school - that's what football is for, leave parochialism where it belongs) Jung on alchemy and a following commentary by paul levy: “The imaginatio, or the act of imagining, was thus a physical activity that could be fitted into the cycle of material changes that brought these about and was brought about by them in turn.” The act of imagining influences the material world, while at the same time, is reciprocally influenced by the material world in the process. We dream up the world while concurrently, in a circular, nonlinear and acausal process that exists outside of time, we are dreamed up by the world. This simultaneity of cause and effect, of “creating” the seemingly outer world while at the same time being “created” by it, is an expression of the fundamental correspondence and ultimate indivisibility of the inner and the outer. l --- On Mon, 8/3/10, Matt Kundert <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Matt Kundert <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MD] continental and analytic philosophy > To: [email protected] > Received: Monday, 8 March, 2010, 12:35 PM > > Exactly--which is still my point: I've never found maya a > useful concept once one takes on, say, Pirsig's less > paradoxical point that it's analogies upon analogies. > "Illusion" and "fiction," it seems to me, obscures the point > philosophers of our stripe want to make to regular folk who > do think "illusion" means "fake" and "fiction" "made up." > > As a matter of presentational strategy, which is to say > rhetoric (and since we're Pirsigians, this is to say quite a > bit), I've found it useful to avoid putting my point against > realists like Derrida did: il n'y pas d'hors-texte. > Because "there's nothing outside the text" sounds weird and > silly. Derrida's real point is better described from > the better translation of that line: "there's no > outside-text." The oddity of the term, "outside-text," > with it's hyphen makes it look more like the insider's > jargon in should be taken for: Derrida was talking about a > specific kind of philosophical conception of reality. > > In fact, I even avoid putting the point like Sellars did > these days: "all awareness is a linguistic affair." > Because that slogan confuses retro-pragmatists who don't see > it as making the same tactical move in an adjacent > philosophical game as the slogan "experience is > reality." But really, I think, maya-lovers, Pirsig, > Derrida, Foucault, Deleuze, Sellars, and James are all > saying pretty much the same thing on this score. > > Matt > > > Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 15:08:02 -0800 > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [MD] continental and analytic philosophy > > > > hey matt, > > reminds me of the old hindu or buddhist quote about > maya - similar lines - a student asking about whether a > stampeding elephant is essentially illusory - the reply > being yes but you had still better get out of the way > because you are part of the same illusion. > > > > you don't make up the fiction of the world. to think > you make it up is SOM. the subject and object are both > abstracted fictions. > > > > yes the world is a fiction but that is not to say > unreal - quite the opposite. > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail > Free. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
