Hello John, I don't get where I was being evasive, but let's start again to see where the problem might be. I have a feeling, though, that it lies in your expectations.
Marsha On Apr 28, 2010, at 4:10 PM, John Carl wrote: > Yeah, but I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about the social > consequences of thinking like you. See the difference? > > But hey, I think we're at the point of "waiter... this conversation isn't > any good". > > Or to be more accurate, your evasion has raised more interesting questions > to be discussed than the answer ever would have. > > yay > > jc > > On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 9:29 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > >> John, >> >> What do you mean by religious thinking? I have told you >> I am quite comfortable with the Tom Robbins quote. >> >> >> Marsha >> >> >> >> On Apr 28, 2010, at 12:15 PM, John Carl wrote: >> >>> Marsha the evasive, >>> >>> >>>> >>>>> The first question is: >>>>> >>>>> Have you Marsha, ever considered the GOOD effects of >>>>> overcoming religious thinking in your intellectual development? >>>> >>>> Consider? Do you mean systematically, like reading the Great Books? >>>> No, I've never formally considered my intellectual development. >>>> >>>> >>> Me neither. I bought a set at a yard sale. Cheap. And often thought >> about >>> reading them. >>> >>> That's what I call intellectual development, thinking about thinking >> about >>> thinking. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>>> The second is related: >>>>> >>>>> Whether or not the passing on of this pattern to our children is >>>> "giving >>>>> them the answer" without letting them work it out for themselves and >> thus >>>> a >>>>> sort of intellectual crippling with unforseen results? >>>> >>>> "The social values are right only if the individual values are right. >>>> The place to improve the world is first in one's own heart and >>>> head and hands, and then work outward from there. Other >>>> people can talk about how to expand the destiny of mankind. >>>> I just want to talk about how to fix a motorcycle. I think that what >>>> I have to say has more lasting value." >>>> (ZMM, Chapter 25) >>>> >>>> >>> well obviously the author talked about a lot more than merely fixing >>> motorcycles. I'd say for starters he's talking about talking about >> fixing >>> motorcycles in the passage quoted. >>> >>> If he'd really just "wanted" to talk about motorcycles then he'd have >> done >>> so exclusively. >>> >>> And all those confused book store clerks and librarians who stocked ZAMM >> on >>> the auto maintenance sections wouldn't have been so far off. >>> >>> But you know all that. You're just being evasive. You're fully aware >> that >>> the motorcycle under discussion is the motorcycle known as your >> intellectual >>> self. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> I admit its a tricky question but no psychological manipulation is >>>>> intended. >>>> >>>> Maybe you think I'll be more, um, um, receptive? >>>> >>>> >>> >>> That was my ploy. I see it won't work. >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>>> Just a simply enquiry into social and intellectual values, is all. >>>>> >>>>> Love, >>>> >>>> Am I suppose to be able to resist love? >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> Where there's life there's choice. Where there's choice there's hope. >>> Where there's hope there's love. >>> >>> So no, I guess you weren't. >>> >>> But please feel free. >>> >>> Nobody ever accused me of confusing my is and my ought! >>> >>> >>> And now I'll leave you alone from my pesky questions before you have to >> say >>> "fuck your questions!" >>> >>> Admiringly, >>> >>> John >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
