Oh , But i don't disaprove,But be carefull with it , its a bit of a minefield, keep your eye's open Keep an open mind. I don't decide anything,the path of growth is your's to walk, Eagle's fly solo.
2010/9/27 MarshaV <[email protected]> > > Adrie, > > There are ten will-considered interpretations of quantum physics presented. > Are you going to tell me that David Bohm had it solved: end-of-story? > Maybe you think that all biological and psychological processes will reduce > to the laws of physics: no need to read further concerning consciousness? > Or maybe you have decided that this book is not on the approved list of MoQ > suggested reading? What's up Adrie? - To me the book seems like a very > legitimate introduction and survey of present quantum enigmas. I cannot > understand why you disapprove. > > > Marsha > > > > > On Sep 27, 2010, at 12:21 PM, ADRIE KINTZIGER wrote: > > > same page.... > > > > > > "Our concern is with the"consciousness" central to the quantum > > enigma---the awareness that appears to affect physical reality. We do > not > > necessarily imply that consciousness is a "physical thing" that "reaches > > out" and does something physical. > > > > > > (((((()))))))) We are describing an enigma, not proposing a > > solution."(((((((())))))))))),?,? > > > > > > Okay, okay, I'll stop.. > > > > 2010/9/27 MarshaV <[email protected]> > > > >> > >> same page.... > >> > >> > >> "Our concern is with the"consciousness" central to the quantum > >> enigma---the awareness that appears to affect physical reality. We do > not > >> necessarily imply that consciousness is a "physical thing" that "reaches > >> out" and does something physical. We are describing an enigma, not > >> proposing a solution." > >> > >> > >> Okay, okay, I'll stop... > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Sep 27, 2010, at 8:49 AM, MarshaV wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> "We have talked about consciousness but have never fully defined it. > >> Dictionary definitions of "consciousness" are little better than those > for > >> "physics." We've been using "consciousness" as roughly equivalent to > >> "awareness." or perhaps the _feeling_ of awareness. It certainly > includes > >> the perception of free will. Our use of the term "consciousness" is > that > >> standard in the treatment of the quantum measurement problem. (In any > >> event, as Humpty Dumpty told Alice: "When I use a word . . . it means > just > >> what I choose it to mean," and the philosopher Wittgenstein would more > or > >> less agree.) > >>> > >>> "It is often pointed out that we can know of the existence of > >> consciousness in _no_ other way than through our first-person feeling of > >> awareness or the second-person reports of others. (In the following > chapter > >> we suggest a quantum challenge to this limitation.) > >>> > >>> "We will not refer to many of the things found in discussions of > >> consciousness from a psychological point of view. For example, we will > not > >> talk of optical illusions, mental disturbances, self-consciousness, or > >> Freud's seat of hidden emotions, the _unconscious." > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>>> (Rosenblum & Kuttner,'Quantum Enigma: Physics Encounters > >> Consciousness', p.172,2006) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ___ > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> > >> > >> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >> Archives: > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > parser > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > ___ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > -- parser Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
