Stttt, i'm reading the work "CANTO GENERAL" Pablo Neruda, ..."".America, i do not invoke your name in vain"""
and in the silence of my new veranda, the musical version, Mikis Theodorakis's masterpiece, CANTO GENERAL live on music, with Maria Farantouri and Petros Pandis as leading vocals,!!!! superb,...(illegal bootleg version) unique! La United Fruit co! greetz. 2010/9/28 MarshaV <[email protected]> > > > Thanks. It's an interesting book. - m > > > > On Sep 27, 2010, at 10:15 PM, ADRIE KINTZIGER wrote: > > > Oh , But i don't disaprove,But be carefull with it , its a bit of a > > minefield, keep your eye's open > > Keep an open mind. > > I don't decide anything,the path of growth is your's to walk, Eagle's fly > > solo. > > > > 2010/9/27 MarshaV <[email protected]> > > > >> > >> Adrie, > >> > >> There are ten will-considered interpretations of quantum physics > presented. > >> Are you going to tell me that David Bohm had it solved: end-of-story? > >> Maybe you think that all biological and psychological processes will > reduce > >> to the laws of physics: no need to read further concerning > consciousness? > >> Or maybe you have decided that this book is not on the approved list of > MoQ > >> suggested reading? What's up Adrie? - To me the book seems like a > very > >> legitimate introduction and survey of present quantum enigmas. I cannot > >> understand why you disapprove. > >> > >> > >> Marsha > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Sep 27, 2010, at 12:21 PM, ADRIE KINTZIGER wrote: > >> > >>> same page.... > >>> > >>> > >>> "Our concern is with the"consciousness" central to the quantum > >>> enigma---the awareness that appears to affect physical reality. We do > >> not > >>> necessarily imply that consciousness is a "physical thing" that > "reaches > >>> out" and does something physical. > >>> > >>> > >>> (((((()))))))) We are describing an enigma, not proposing a > >>> solution."(((((((())))))))))),?,? > >>> > >>> > >>> Okay, okay, I'll stop.. > >>> > >>> 2010/9/27 MarshaV <[email protected]> > >>> > >>>> > >>>> same page.... > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> "Our concern is with the"consciousness" central to the quantum > >>>> enigma---the awareness that appears to affect physical reality. We do > >> not > >>>> necessarily imply that consciousness is a "physical thing" that > "reaches > >>>> out" and does something physical. We are describing an enigma, not > >>>> proposing a solution." > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Okay, okay, I'll stop... > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Sep 27, 2010, at 8:49 AM, MarshaV wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> "We have talked about consciousness but have never fully defined it. > >>>> Dictionary definitions of "consciousness" are little better than those > >> for > >>>> "physics." We've been using "consciousness" as roughly equivalent to > >>>> "awareness." or perhaps the _feeling_ of awareness. It certainly > >> includes > >>>> the perception of free will. Our use of the term "consciousness" is > >> that > >>>> standard in the treatment of the quantum measurement problem. (In any > >>>> event, as Humpty Dumpty told Alice: "When I use a word . . . it means > >> just > >>>> what I choose it to mean," and the philosopher Wittgenstein would more > >> or > >>>> less agree.) > >>>>> > >>>>> "It is often pointed out that we can know of the existence of > >>>> consciousness in _no_ other way than through our first-person feeling > of > >>>> awareness or the second-person reports of others. (In the following > >> chapter > >>>> we suggest a quantum challenge to this limitation.) > >>>>> > >>>>> "We will not refer to many of the things found in discussions of > >>>> consciousness from a psychological point of view. For example, we > will > >> not > >>>> talk of optical illusions, mental disturbances, self-consciousness, or > >>>> Freud's seat of hidden emotions, the _unconscious." > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> (Rosenblum & Kuttner,'Quantum Enigma: Physics Encounters > >>>> Consciousness', p.172,2006) > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ___ > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ___ > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >>>> Archives: > >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> parser > >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >>> Archives: > >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > >> > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> > >> > >> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >> Archives: > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > parser > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > ___ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > -- parser Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
