Thanks. It's an interesting book. - m On Sep 27, 2010, at 10:15 PM, ADRIE KINTZIGER wrote:
> Oh , But i don't disaprove,But be carefull with it , its a bit of a > minefield, keep your eye's open > Keep an open mind. > I don't decide anything,the path of growth is your's to walk, Eagle's fly > solo. > > 2010/9/27 MarshaV <[email protected]> > >> >> Adrie, >> >> There are ten will-considered interpretations of quantum physics presented. >> Are you going to tell me that David Bohm had it solved: end-of-story? >> Maybe you think that all biological and psychological processes will reduce >> to the laws of physics: no need to read further concerning consciousness? >> Or maybe you have decided that this book is not on the approved list of MoQ >> suggested reading? What's up Adrie? - To me the book seems like a very >> legitimate introduction and survey of present quantum enigmas. I cannot >> understand why you disapprove. >> >> >> Marsha >> >> >> >> >> On Sep 27, 2010, at 12:21 PM, ADRIE KINTZIGER wrote: >> >>> same page.... >>> >>> >>> "Our concern is with the"consciousness" central to the quantum >>> enigma---the awareness that appears to affect physical reality. We do >> not >>> necessarily imply that consciousness is a "physical thing" that "reaches >>> out" and does something physical. >>> >>> >>> (((((()))))))) We are describing an enigma, not proposing a >>> solution."(((((((())))))))))),?,? >>> >>> >>> Okay, okay, I'll stop.. >>> >>> 2010/9/27 MarshaV <[email protected]> >>> >>>> >>>> same page.... >>>> >>>> >>>> "Our concern is with the"consciousness" central to the quantum >>>> enigma---the awareness that appears to affect physical reality. We do >> not >>>> necessarily imply that consciousness is a "physical thing" that "reaches >>>> out" and does something physical. We are describing an enigma, not >>>> proposing a solution." >>>> >>>> >>>> Okay, okay, I'll stop... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sep 27, 2010, at 8:49 AM, MarshaV wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "We have talked about consciousness but have never fully defined it. >>>> Dictionary definitions of "consciousness" are little better than those >> for >>>> "physics." We've been using "consciousness" as roughly equivalent to >>>> "awareness." or perhaps the _feeling_ of awareness. It certainly >> includes >>>> the perception of free will. Our use of the term "consciousness" is >> that >>>> standard in the treatment of the quantum measurement problem. (In any >>>> event, as Humpty Dumpty told Alice: "When I use a word . . . it means >> just >>>> what I choose it to mean," and the philosopher Wittgenstein would more >> or >>>> less agree.) >>>>> >>>>> "It is often pointed out that we can know of the existence of >>>> consciousness in _no_ other way than through our first-person feeling of >>>> awareness or the second-person reports of others. (In the following >> chapter >>>> we suggest a quantum challenge to this limitation.) >>>>> >>>>> "We will not refer to many of the things found in discussions of >>>> consciousness from a psychological point of view. For example, we will >> not >>>> talk of optical illusions, mental disturbances, self-consciousness, or >>>> Freud's seat of hidden emotions, the _unconscious." >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> (Rosenblum & Kuttner,'Quantum Enigma: Physics Encounters >>>> Consciousness', p.172,2006) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ___ >>>> >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> >>>> >>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>> Archives: >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> parser >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> > > > > -- > parser > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
