Just me, drifting along, here, but I had to say, I think Marsha, that this quote says all that needs to be said and summed up, I don't care so much who said "perception that the indeterminate (or Dynamic) is the fundamental nature of the conditioned (or static)", I just know absolute truth when I experience it and that's it right there.
Thanks for sharing, J On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 7:56 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > > Here is the entire page: > > > 5.5. NAGARJUNA > > The similarity between Pirsig’s work and Nagarjuna’s is striking. Though > scholars now think the name ‘Nagarjuna’ tends to refer to events that > happened to more than one person, there definitely was a philosopher of that > name in the second century C.E. His principal philosophical work was the > Madhyamakakarika. Williams (1989, p.55) notes that ‘Nagarjuna is the first > great name in Buddhist thought since the Buddha, and for that reason (among > others) he is sometimes referred to as the ‘second Buddha’.’ > > In addition to the Dynamic Quality viewpoint of the MOQ corresponding to > what Nagarjuna terms sunyata (i.e. the indeterminate or the world of > Buddhas),181 the static quality viewpoint of the MOQ also corresponds to > sunyavada (i.e. the conditioned component or world of maya)182 of Nagarjuna. > Sunyavada describes the all conceptions of reality including metaphysical > views, ideals, religious beliefs, hopes and ambitions; in other words, using > MOQ terminology, static quality patterns.183 > > Moreover, Nagarjuna (1966, p.251) shares Pirsig’s perception that the > indeterminate (or Dynamic) is the fundamental nature of the conditioned (or > static): > > In their ultimate nature things are devoid of conditionedness and > contingency > belongs to this level. This very truth is revealed by also saying that > all things > ultimately enter the indeterminate dharma or that within the heart of > every > conditioned entity (as its core, as its true essence, as its very real > nature) > there is the indeterminate dharma. While the one expresses the > transcendence > of the ultimate reality, the other speaks of its immanence. The one > says that the > ultimate reality is not an entity apart and wholly removed from the > determinate, > but is the real nature of the determinate itself." > > Nagarjuna and Pirsig also have a similar recognition of two types of truth; > the ‘static’ conventional truth (sammuti-sacca) and the ‘Dynamic’ ultimate > truth (paramattha-sacca). > > (McWatt, Anthony, 'An Introduction to Robert Pirsig's Metaphysics of > Quality', 2005, p102) > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 28, 2011, at 3:51 PM, ADRIE KINTZIGER wrote: > > > Moq txtbook version okt 2010 > > > > under 5.5 Nagarjuna > > > > "In addition to the Dynamic Quality viewpoint of the moq > > corresponding to what Nagarjuna terms sunyatta(ie; the indeterminate or > the > > world of the buddhas)(182) > > the static quality viewpoint of the moq also corresponds to sunyavada(ie, > > the conditioned component or world of maya)(183) > > of Nagarjuna. Sunyavada includes all conceptions of reality including > > metaphysikal views, ideals, religious beliefs, hopes and ambitions; in > other > > words,using moq terminology, static quality patterns(184) > > > > Moreover, Nagarjuna shares Pirsig's perception that the indeterminate(or > > Dynamic) is the fundamental nature > > of the conditioned(or static) > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ___ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
