Dan responded to Steve:

[Dan] You (Steve) said: The question of free will versus determinism
gets replaced
by the question, to what extent do we follow DQ and to what extent do
we follow sq?

[Dan] It appears from reading this that these are two mutually exclusive
options, hence my observation that they are not.

Huh, Dan ? "to what extent" A and/or B suggests the exact opposite of
mutual exclusivity. It correctly implies you generally have a mix of
both side by side.

I don't in fact agree with Steve's underlying analogy between DQ/sq
and Free-Will / Determinism, or DMB's suggestion that causation is
part of one but not the other, .... causation is just weird and
conventional linguistically .... I'm just pointing out the flaws in
the style of argumentation that is happening - in the church of
reason, as has been pointed out.

Ian
PS What's so funny 'bout peace, love and understanding ?
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