Hi Steve, On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Steven Peterson <[email protected]> wrote: > On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 5:39 AM, Ian Glendinning > <[email protected]> wrote: >> Not sure >> >> I agree Free-Will vs Determinism is a Pirsigian platypus, when looking >> to make objective definitions and distinctions - the point of calling >> it a platypus, (which has been thoroughly resolved by evolutionary >> philosophers). > > > Steve: > How have evolutionary philosophers the than RMP resolved this platypus?
[IG] I can come back to this, since it is clearly the more important question, but was an aside here, to the main point which was about the problem of the SOMist style of "church of reason" argumentation. (Incidentally - ie by way of an aside for now, glad you see Pirsig as one of the evolutionary philosophers - it's where I came in many years ago.) > > Ian: >> And, the DQ/sq distinction is fundamental to MoQ. >> >> Not sure one question replaces the other analogously or otherwise. > > Steve: > I'm not trying to offer any radical idea about whether this question > replaces the SOM question. I'm just referring to what RMP does here in > response to the SOM question of free will/determinism: [IG] Good, my "overthinking" presumably. > >> "To the extent that one's behavior is >> controlled by static patterns of quality it is without choice. But to the >> extent >> that one follows Dynamic Quality, which is undefinable, one's behavior is >> free." >> (LILA, Chapter 12) [IG] This was the basic point of my exchange - to highlight the "to the extent that" qualification of both sentences - reacting to Dan's suggestion that you had somehow suggested mutual exclusivity of the two halves of the equation. I agree with both of Pirsig's sentences, but - like you it is now clear - don't see this as the entire Free-Will vs Determinism debate in two sentences. (Which we can come back to.) I'm more interested (in this particular exchange) in how Dan saw that exclusivity ? Regards Ian PS What's so funny 'bout peace, love and understanding Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
