Hi Mark, Math cannot logically describe evolution, something new existing differently from something old. I suggest the logic in MOQ is an indefinable logic of levels in existence beyond a logic for physical existence since it requires a metaphysical DQ/SQ logic. Math has limitations in logic and metaphysics is not an outmoded discipline.
I read you saying the same thing, and we seem to be on the same page in describing reality in evolution, physics and metaphysics. Joe On 8/30/11 7:09 AM, "118" <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Joe, > The easiest way to understand this is to put the equation to words as I did > for 2/0. Two times zero can be read as What do you have if you double > nothing? > > Math is a language. It has a shorthand notation for reasons of manipulation. > Due to this simplification, it has a much more narrow application than words. > For example, words can convey the sense of fear, whereas math cannot. So math > is a very specialized language albeit limited to those things that abide by > measurement. > > Mark > > On Aug 28, 2011, at 7:24 PM, Joseph Maurer <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Mark, >> >> How can you add, subract, multiply 1 by 0, and not divide 1 by 0? A >> failure in rigorous logic? >> >> Joe >> >> >> On 8/28/11 5:36 PM, "118" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Joe, Joe, Joe, >>> >>> How is your math these days? When an error is returned for an >>> equation like 2/0, it means "Return to sender", or "Earth to Joe", or >>> "What are you asking?". 2/0 asks "how many times does nothing fit >>> into two?". So tell me Joe, how many times can you fit nothing into >>> two if you are so fond of asking the question? This would be like >>> asking how many times does Integrity fit into Beautiful?. Don't you >>> think this would result in an error message from the calculator of >>> MoQ? >>> >>> Typically evolution is described by mathematics. I am referring to >>> the Evolution that is a theory in biology. It is all math based. You >>> know level of adaptation, predator/prey equations, life span. All >>> math! Darwin put a lot of species together in a linear (math) way. >>> But, you do not need to apologize because you are obviously talking >>> about a different sort of Evolution. If you explain what you mean by >>> Evolution, I can respond with a rational post along those lines. >>> >>> When I state that "Mathematics is a form of Metaphysics", I mean >>> simply this: Math is used to describe reality in the same way that MoQ >>> is used to describe reality. There is no difference and each is an >>> equally valid method for such a description. There is nothing more >>> real about mathematics than there is for MoQ, both are static >>> descriptions, and yes, they approach reality in different ways. >>> Perhaps you are of the mind that somehow Math is true whereas MoQ is >>> conjecture. If so, I would have to suggest that you stop bowing down >>> to the religion of Scientism and see it for what it is. This is not >>> to demean science; I am in love with science and make a good living >>> using it. Science describes reality like a blue print describes a >>> house. The blueprint is not the house, science is not reality. >>> >>> By way of metaphor, let me ask you this: Let's say you enter into a >>> very good restaurant and a waiter gives you a menu. You ask the >>> waiter what he would suggest for a meal. The waiter takes one of the >>> pages of the menu and puts salt on it and suggests you eat it. >>> Wouldn't you think that is kind of strange? Of course the menu is not >>> the food, just like a map of Ecuador is not the country. In the same >>> way, math is not reality, and physics is not either. They are all >>> descriptions, all analogies. MoQ is the analogy we are working with. >>> To make it work we need to use rhetoric and a great variety of >>> descriptions and definitions, yes, DEFINITIONS. Else-wise we will >>> just be acting silly. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Mark >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 12:07 PM, Joseph Maurer <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Hi Mark, >>>> >>>> The reply highlights the difference between language and math. Math as a >>>> precise language seems to ignore analogy and metaphor procreation. >>>> Division >>>> by 0 in math returns an error message, no creation. The question I was >>>> asking is can evolution be described in mathematics. If the answer is yes, >>>> my apologies. If, no, then metaphysics with analogy and metaphor is the >>>> proper discipline to discuss evolution beyond mathematical physics. >>>> >>>> I have not studied extensive mathematical levels, I am operating on the >>>> insight that metaphysics, and physics, do not share a common definition for >>>> the reality of evolution. "Math is a form of metaphysics." >>>> >>>> I'm no good at tic-tac-toe. No room for disagreement except a fistfight. >>>> >>>> On 8/24/11 4:31 PM, "118" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Joe the Undefined Wizard, >>>>> >>>>> Is this a trick question? Or are you playing tic-tac-toe? >>>>> >>>>> By the way, are you ignoring my last email to you or are you still >>>>> digesting it (burp)? >>>>> >>>>> Mark, the Undefined Satan. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 10:30 AM, Joseph Maurer <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> Hi Mark and all, >>>>>> >>>>>> DQ/SQ. X/0. Are they both metaphysical formulations? >>>>>> >>>>>> On 8/23/11 9:42 PM, "118" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Math is a form of metaphysics. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>>> Archives: >>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>>> >>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>> Archives: >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>> >>>> >>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>> Archives: >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>> >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
