Hi Arlo, I am fine with dropping this. Let me just point out that Pirsig's remark was within a certain context. Look up the transcripts. To blindly take such a remark and run with it is either disingenuously promoting your own feelings or just being misinformed. I am sure that there is a third option there to.
Sent laboriously from an iPhone, Mark On Nov 28, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Arlo Bensinger <[email protected]> wrote: > [Arlo previously] > Since the MOQ is anti-theistic, and it opposes SOM, this statement is about > as gross a misunderstanding of the MOQ as I've seen. But this just proves my > point. > > [John] > Really? How so? > > [Arlo] > Pirsig himself says his philosophy is anti-theistic. The only way it could be > redefined as a 'theism' is if everything, including atheism is defined as a > theism. At that point, everything is a theism and the word has no meaning, > since you've defined it so that everything is, ipso facto, "theism". > > I am not going to repeat this argument that has appeared here numerous times. > It's all in the archives. > > [Mark] > I think the point is, what kind of message are you sending with this > anti-theistic movement that is any different from the rest of modern > philosophy? > > [Arlo] > I am not sending an anti-theistic message, Pirsig is. > > [Mark] > Perhaps you are viewing theism at arms length as a static dogma. > > [Arlo] > Right, here's where the redefinition to force the label comes in, just as I > mentioned. I am not interested in redefining "theism" so that you get to keep > a label you appear so vehemently stuck to. Pirsig described his philosophy as > "anti-theistic", if that offends you, or if you have to twist around a whole > lot of definitions just so that you can call his philosophy theistic, then > you're just proving my earlier analogy. > > As I said to John, I have no interest in pursuing this argument. Been there. > Done that. But thanks for proving my point. Appreciate that. > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
