Marsha, Joseph, all,

Logically, if something is non-existent, it is predicate p(x) whose extension is empty. Intuitively: it does not refer to anything. The reference itself exists, but the thing it refers to does not.

DQ is undefinable, but undefinability is definable.

It cannot be proven or disproven that all undefinable things are DQ, because that would require "undefinable thing" and "DQ" to be definable.

Undefinable things cannot be proven to exist or proven not to exist.

-Tuukka



20.12.2011 23:35, Joseph Maurer kirjoitti:
Hi Marsha and All,

If something is indefinable is it non-existent?  The word "inherent" clouds
the formation of logic in existence.  It tries to introduce the hierarchy,
"evolution", before describing the metaphysics for the logic of evolution.

Evolution seems to be used by Pirsig as a logical order in existence for the
conception of reality.  Once evolution is conceptualized as DQ/SQ,
indefinable reality is perceived outside the logical definition of
mathematics since DQ is indefinable.  0 is defined as being non divisible.

I accept that Metaphysics not Physics embraces the evolutionary hierarchy
that can be discussed as levels in existence.  Metaphysics achieves this
prior to the conception that mathematical logic defines all. Hence the word
metaphysics!  DQ/SQ is the logic for existential reality like an evolution
in existence, accessible to all, MOQ.

Joe


On 12/19/11 11:47 PM, "MarshaV"<[email protected]>  wrote:

That is Ultimate Reality, Dynamic Quality, is empty of inherent existence.

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