Greetings Ham, I have both the terms 'value' and 'quality' representing experience. I have not attempted to present a cosmology, but an explanation of static patterns of value (patterned experience) as I understand them. I find their investigation the most revealing.
Reality = Experience(unpatterned/patterned). Experience, with a capital 'E', is unpatterned, and may be accepted at unpatterned or patterned. Humanity it seems, for pragmatic purposes, has evolved to function by reliance on patterns. The pattern labelled 'self', upon investigation through mediation, I have come to see as primarily a flow of bits and pieces of patterns (conceptual & perceptual). I understand the 'self' to be a continuous, experiential processing rather than independent entity. All in my humble opinion, of course. Merry Yule to You! Marsha Sent from my iPad On Dec 22, 2011, at 12:44 AM, "Ham Priday" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Marsha, and all "emptiness" followers -- > > > On Wed, 12/21, 2011 at 3:06 AM, "MarshaV" <[email protected]> said to Joe Maurer: > >> Hi Joe, >> >> There is no "something" that inherently exists. I never said of >> anything that it _did not exist_. Things or patterns conventionally >> exist. They do not exist from their own side. Static patterns of >> value are processes, conditionally co-dependent, impermanent, >> ever-changing and conceptualized, that pragmatically tend to >> persist and change within a stable, predictable pattern. Within >> the MoQ, these patterns are categorized into a four-level, >> evolutionary, hierarchical structure: inorganic, biological, social >> and intellectual. This static value exists in stable patterns relative >> to other patterns. Patterns depend upon innumerable causes and >> conditions (patterns), depend upon parts and the collection of >> parts (patterns), depend upon conceptual designation (patterns). >> Patterns have no independent, inherent existence. Further, these >> patterns represent "what works" depending upon on an individual's >> static pattern of life history. > > This is a concise, well-presented cosmology overview, Marsha. What it lacks > is a proper explanation that will relate it to the "reality" you have in mind > and make it comprehensible. For example, immediately following your opening > premise that no "something" inherently exists, you deny that anything does > NOT exist. I can only assume this means that nothing exists "inherently". > If I understand you correctly, your conception is that (conventional) > existence is not intrinsic to Ultimate Reality, and we are in agreement. (If > I'm wrong, please correct me.) > > You state that things or patterns "do not exist from their own side" but > "depend upon innumerable causes and conditions" and also "upon parts and the > collection of parts," which I don't understand. Do these causes and > conditions represent the other side of existence? In other words, is Reality > (DQ?) the cause or creator of existents? Or do patterns arise from > nothingness (emptiness)? > > And what about this "static value" that you say "exists in stable patterns > relative to other patterns"? Is Value also a pattern which has no > independent, inherent existence, or is it the Reality of DQ itself? And, > Finally, are you sticking to your view that "individuals" are only > collections of interrelating patterns? > > I realize this challenges you with a lot of questions, but your answers will > help to clarify not only this exposition but much of the confusion regarding > your reality concept. I'll hold my own cosmology in abeyance until I've had > an opportunity to compare yours. > > Thanks, Marsha, and enjoy the holidays, > Ham > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
