Hi Joe, Fear not, logic is full. It is full of interesting thoughts. It provides us with a means to exchange information in a meaningful way. It allows us to plan a day with others so that we can have fun together. The only place it is empty is in meta logic, or the logic of logic. But that is to be expected since the beauty of beauty is also empty.
Sent laboriously from an iPhone, Mark On Dec 21, 2011, at 4:42 PM, Joseph Maurer <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Tuukka, > > So much for proof. Logic is empty. Whatever I say is the reality. So much > for evolution! > > Joe > > > On 12/21/11 2:53 PM, "Tuukka Virtaperko" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Marsha, Joseph, all, >> >> Logically, if something is non-existent, it is predicate p(x) whose >> extension is empty. Intuitively: it does not refer to anything. The >> reference itself exists, but the thing it refers to does not. >> >> DQ is undefinable, but undefinability is definable. >> >> It cannot be proven or disproven that all undefinable things are DQ, >> because that would require "undefinable thing" and "DQ" to be definable. >> >> Undefinable things cannot be proven to exist or proven not to exist. >> >> -Tuukka >> >> >> >> 20.12.2011 23:35, Joseph Maurer kirjoitti: >>> Hi Marsha and All, >>> >>> If something is indefinable is it non-existent? The word "inherent" clouds >>> the formation of logic in existence. It tries to introduce the hierarchy, >>> "evolution", before describing the metaphysics for the logic of evolution. >>> >>> Evolution seems to be used by Pirsig as a logical order in existence for the >>> conception of reality. Once evolution is conceptualized as DQ/SQ, >>> indefinable reality is perceived outside the logical definition of >>> mathematics since DQ is indefinable. 0 is defined as being non divisible. >>> >>> I accept that Metaphysics not Physics embraces the evolutionary hierarchy >>> that can be discussed as levels in existence. Metaphysics achieves this >>> prior to the conception that mathematical logic defines all. Hence the word >>> metaphysics! DQ/SQ is the logic for existential reality like an evolution >>> in existence, accessible to all, MOQ. >>> >>> Joe >>> >>> >>> On 12/19/11 11:47 PM, "MarshaV"<[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> That is Ultimate Reality, Dynamic Quality, is empty of inherent existence. >>> >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
