Ham,
I am not presenting an ontology or epistemology. I have the MoQ being epistemologically relative, and ontologically indeterminate. Meaning our commonsense beliefs (static quality) are conditionally interdependent, and the nature of Ultimate Reality (Dynamic Quality) is unknowable. Marsha Sent from my iPad On Dec 22, 2011, at 4:43 PM, "Ham Priday" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Happy Winter Solstice, Marsha -- > > >> Greetings Ham, >> >> I have both the terms 'value' and 'quality' representing experience. >> I have not attempted to present a cosmology, but an explanation of >> static patterns of value (patterned experience) as I understand them. >> I find their investigation the most revealing. >> >> Reality = Experience(unpatterned/patterned). Experience, with a >> capital 'E', is unpatterned, and may be accepted as unpatterned or >> patterned. Humanity it seems, for pragmatic purposes, has evolved >> to function by reliance on patterns. The pattern labelled 'self', >> upon investigation through mediation, I have come to see as primarily >> a flow of bits and pieces of patterns (conceptual & perceptual). >> I understand the 'self' to be a continuous, experiential processing >> rather than independent entity. >> >> All in my humble opinion, of course. > > Well, we'll call it Marsha's ontology or epistemology, instead of cosmology. > There are still several aspects of it that are problematic for me. > (Incidentally, Mark has agreed to provide a similar outline of his ontology, > although apparently he needs more time to compose it.) > > You speak of "parts", "bits" and "pieces" being patterned (presumably by the > experiencing mind); but you don't say how these fragments originate or where > they come from. I assume the patterns themselves are either independent of > man or "conceived" or perceived through man's experience. If these > 'sub-patterns' are "pieces of Quality" (e.g., SQ), do they exist > independently prior to their assembly into discrete patterns, or do they > constitute a holistic reality which does the fragmenting? (Possibly it > would help if you could provide an example of such a "bit" or "piece".) > > Also, if the subjective self is an "experiential process" rather than an > independent entity, what ties the events of that process together so that > experience is proprietary to a specific individual? In other words, how do > you account for the experiencing subject being unique unto itself -- its own > psyche so to speak -- without an external organizing agent? If DQ is the > source of all this differentiation, why does existence need an experiential > subject? Conversely, if Experience is the differentiator, why is "a flow of > bits and pieces" even necessary? Sorry Marsha, but the dynamics of this > experiential process still elude me. > > Perhaps the most fundamental question is: What does your meditation reveal > about the nature of Ultimate Reality? I know this takes you beyond the > bounds of differentiated space/time existence; yet, an ontological concept > isn't complete without a suggested source or cause of experience. Maybe I'm > asking too much, but the formula 'Reality = Experience' is sinply > insufficient to account for the 'what', 'how' and 'why' of our experiential > reality, let alone Ultimate Reality. If it's any consolation, Marsha, I have > the same complaint with regard to RMP's so-called metaphysics. > > Kindly keep in mind that I'm not asking any questions that I haven't answered > for myself in developing the philosophy of Essence. My answers will be > forthcoming at the proper time. > > Have a merry weekend yourself, whatever you choose to celebrate. > > Essentially yours, > Ham > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
