Marsha to dmb:
I thought the topic was intellectual value over social and biological
value, since most of the quotes you presented had nothing to do with
economics or money and made no sense in that context. The quote from
Chapter 32 was in response to Andre claiming the "moral goodness of
intellectual patterns dominating social and biological patterns". That
little poem contradicts such notions as it suggests that social and
biological patterns should be sustained, while intellectual patterns
should be killed completely.
But consider this: "Thought is not a path to reality. It sets obstacles
in that path because when you try to use thought to approach something
that is prior to thought your thinking does not carry you toward that
something. It carries you away from it. To define something is to
subordinate it to a tangle of intellectual relationships. And when you
do that you destroy real understanding." (RMP,'LILA')
Andre:
Boy oh boy you really are seriously confused Marsha. Dmb (wow he's
patient with you)...please follow his advice since you still don't get
it because you are confusing and continue to confuse your two
perspectives!!! The heart of this confusion lies in your silly, confused
notion that 'Dq is none other than sq' (and vice versa).
And here, in this Pirsig quote you are doing it again!!! Let me cut
corners, be crude and disregard a few things to make it very clear to
you: what this forum is meant to be doing is discussing Pirsig's MoQ. It
is a metaphysics. It is meant to make this world (sq) a little better.
If a metaphysics does not do that, forget it.
The MoQ is NOT Reality (another one of your confusions). The MoQ is a
static intellectual pattern of quality. The MoQ is NOT a path to
enlightenment, NOT a path to reality. Your wonderful repitition of
Pirsig's stanza, particularly the 'kill all intellectual patterns' bit
points towards a mystical understanding of reality. As dmb keeps on
saying (as is this thread's title) do not confuse mysticism with
economics...with fame, fortune and glory. These are social patterns of
quality and I would suggest to you that to confuse social patterns of
quality with mysticism is not only immoral. It is a direct insult to the
intellectual level.
Please read what Pirsig wrote on Hagan's 'Buddhism made Simple'. Read is
slowly and carefully...especially where he says:'If you are looking for
enlightenment rather than... .
Okay, I've made the MoQ too simple but do you get it now?
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