"While I am thinking about it there is a very good book on Buddhism recently out called 'Buddhism, Plain and Simple', by Steve Hagen and published by Tuttle Publishing. I recommend you get it because it shows the similarities, between the MOQ and Zen Buddhism more clearly than any other I have seen." - Pirsig to McWatt, May 6th 1998.
On Nov 11, 2012, at 7:52 AM, Andre Broersen wrote: > Marsha to dmb: > I thought the topic was intellectual value over social and biological value, > since most of the quotes you presented had nothing to do with economics or > money and made no sense in that context. The quote from Chapter 32 was in > response to Andre claiming the "moral goodness of intellectual patterns > dominating social and biological patterns". That little poem contradicts such > notions as it suggests that social and biological patterns should be > sustained, while intellectual patterns should be killed completely. > But consider this: "Thought is not a path to reality. It sets obstacles in > that path because when you try to use thought to approach something that is > prior to thought your thinking does not carry you toward that something. It > carries you away from it. To define something is to subordinate it to a > tangle of intellectual relationships. And when you do that you destroy real > understanding." (RMP,'LILA') > > Andre: > Boy oh boy you really are seriously confused Marsha. Dmb (wow he's patient > with you)...please follow his advice since you still don't get it because you > are confusing and continue to confuse your two perspectives!!! The heart of > this confusion lies in your silly, confused notion that 'Dq is none other > than sq' (and vice versa). > > And here, in this Pirsig quote you are doing it again!!! Let me cut corners, > be crude and disregard a few things to make it very clear to you: what this > forum is meant to be doing is discussing Pirsig's MoQ. It is a metaphysics. > It is meant to make this world (sq) a little better. If a metaphysics does > not do that, forget it. > > The MoQ is NOT Reality (another one of your confusions). The MoQ is a static > intellectual pattern of quality. The MoQ is NOT a path to enlightenment, NOT > a path to reality. Your wonderful repitition of Pirsig's stanza, particularly > the 'kill all intellectual patterns' bit points towards a mystical > understanding of reality. As dmb keeps on saying (as is this thread's title) > do not confuse mysticism with economics...with fame, fortune and glory. These > are social patterns of quality and I would suggest to you that to confuse > social patterns of quality with mysticism is not only immoral. It is a direct > insult to the intellectual level. > > Please read what Pirsig wrote on Hagan's 'Buddhism made Simple'. Read is > slowly and carefully...especially where he says:'If you are looking for > enlightenment rather than... . > > Okay, I've made the MoQ too simple but do you get it now? > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
