> -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 23 May 2007 14:45 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MD] Animals and Dynamic Quality > > > Quoting "Laycock, Jos (OSPT)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Hi Platt > > > > Keeping it short: > > > > Tides are a static pattern, > > > > "Sperarated by derivative order" Means one's derived from > the other, fundamentally > > separate in terms of pattern but identical in terms of constituent., > > Sorry. I still don't understand.
Cant help you then, its pretty simple. sorry. > > > The biological level elements of what an animal is are > static patterns, any > > cultual level elements are also static patterns, and and so > on into more complex > > animals. Patterns at all levels are patterns in DQ. I agree > with you entirely but > > so what - so is everything else. > > Animals have no culture if that's what you are suggesting. > Also, patterns at > all levels are not patterns of DQ. DQ has no pattern. > Patterns at all levels > were left in the wake of DQ. DQ has no pattern I agree, but sq are static patterns IN DQ, left behind they may be but they still have to be a pattern in something. A helpful metaphor: A wave is a static pattern in a dynamic medium, it is a wave (Static) but still made of water (dynamic (though not in the MOQ sense)) > > > On motives - My usage of the word is sloppy, by motive I > mean that where a > > preference expressed at a choice point in the direction of > "good", that "good" is > > the motive. The reason it happens in one direction rather > than another is because > > it has the "motive" to be better. This isn't a static > pattern as we are unable to > > define what that "good" is. (Must be a more succinct way to > say that) > > The "motive" of evolution according to Pirsig is to increase > versatility and > freedom. We see this throughout evolutionary history as > consciousness expanded. I was very specific in how the word is being used, and this doesn't address the point of the sentence. By saying "the motive is versatility and freedom" you attempt to define DQ - slap on the wrist Platt. > > Lila - It sets cultural and intellectual patterns above > biological ones, then > > quite separately it assigns humans to the first category > and other animals to the > > second. Its the second bit that I'm saying is wrong, the > structure and relative > > moralities are the fundamental bit and can be preserved > wherever it is that you > > decice a particular entity resides. > > Sorry, don't understand. Humans consist of all four levels > plus ability to > respond to DQ. Cats consist of two levels - inorganic and > biological. You > seem to be saying cats can also be intellectuals. But, I'm > sure that can't be > what you mean. Thank you for your doubt. Static patterns at all levels repond to DQ this is self evident. The cat is consicous (after a fashion) and its experience moment by moment is dynamic quality same as it is for you or I. Deciding upon the highest static level at which a particular entity is manifest is the important bit. Not many cats are intellectuals (although mine both are) but I'm quite certain that my relationship with my cats is a cultural pattern. > > > ------------------------------------------------- > This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ > moq_discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > This email was received from the INTERNET and scanned by the > Government Secure Intranet Anti-Virus service supplied by > Cable&Wireless in partnership with MessageLabs. (CCTM > Certificate Number 2006/04/0007.) 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