[Jos]
> Lila - It sets cultural and intellectual patterns
> above biological ones, then quite separately it
> assigns humans to the first category and other
> animals to the second. Its the second bit that I'm
> saying is wrong, the structure and relative
> moralities are the fundamental bit and can be
> preserved wherever it is that you decice a
> particular entity resides.
Jos, are you saying the following:
For sake of not getting hung-up on whether or not
a moose is intellectual, I'm saying this to reflect my
interpretation of intellectual level. So for
instance, let's say a moose (or an alien creature) is
found to be intellectual wouldn't this mean that the
intellectual level is not the human level? I mean
isn't this why its' called the intellectual level.
Thus, we know the intellectual level exists because we
experience this level. I know that statement jumps
out at Ham, but where does this intellectual level
exist if human beings are not here, or let's say no
other creature experiences the intellectual level?
Does the intellectual level still exist? I know Ham
will say NO, the intellect does not exist 'out-there'
to be had, to be achieved, or experience, floating
around in the universe. I agree Ham. I'm saying the
intellectual level does NOT exist until, using
Pirsig's model, a social level is organized or static
enough, to dynamicly experience intellect. Thus,
intellect appears to come 'out of nowhere'. Was
intellect always in this primary reality called
dynamic quality? I say NO. Not until a social level
was capable of creating this intellectual level. Just
as biological level created a social level dynamicly.
So, an alien creature could also experience the
intellectual level. Also, a moose could socialize
enough and dynamicly experience intellect, too. I do
know anthropologist focus upon complex societies, such
as chimpanzees, due to their showings of culture,
which some say points to intellect, thus, the
intellectual level might dynamically be experienced.
I don't know if chimpanzees have static latched upon
the intellectual level to remain upon this level.
Is this what your saying Jos?
blue sky, nothin' but blue sky,
SA
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