[Arlo previously] This is not an answer to the question. Give me an example of something Animal X could do, as an animal that could respond to DQ, that no animal today can do. There is Animal X over by that tree... tell me what it could do that no animal today can do.
[Platt] Why don't you think it's not an answer? [Arlo] Game time, eh? [Arlo previously] You've said, there existed once a single animal that could respond to DQ. Could all single animals of the same species also respond to DQ? For example, let's say Animal X was a wolf. Could all wolves respond to DQ? Or could some but not others? [Platt] Why a wolf? [Arlo] No reason. Reference to Phaedrus, I suppose. So, answer or games? [Arlo previously] 1. Can all humans respond to DQ? [Platt] Define "all humans." Do you include those with Alzheimer's? [Arlo] Sure, aren't Alzheimer's patients human? What's your answer? [Arlo previously] 2. What commonality among humans makes humans capable of responding to DQ? Is it biological, for example our "brain structure"? [Platt] Don't know. What do you think it is? [Arlo] Social activity. That's why I said a desert-island individual could only respond to DQ on the biological level, and hence no concept of "self" on a social or intellectual level. What do you think it is? Speculate. [Arlo previously] So there was an overlap when "man" existed, that both individual humans and individuals animals could respond to DQ? [Platt] Please specify when man existed. [Arlo] Let's take what we consider to be homo sapiens, what's that about 200,000 years ago? During this time, was there any simultaneous overlap as I mentioned? No? [Arlo had asked] 3. Was there ever a point in time when there simultaneously existed both (a) a human that could respond to DQ and (b) an animal that could respond to DQ? [Platt] What human or animal did you have in mind? [Arlo] Any. Try not to descend to these games, Platt. [Arlo previously] Give me an example of something that is still evolving that does not involve "man". [Platt] A parallel universe. [Arlo] Is there anything in our universe, apart from that which involves "man", that is still evolving? What about on earth? Examples? [Platt] Why don't you take your Perry Mason tactics and ask Jos about his interpretation of Dynamic value? [Arlo] Because I am more interested in your claim, and from what I can tell I pretty much agree with Jos (and SA). So let's just back up and focus on the first question, if that'd make it easier for you. A. You had said there did exist an animal, let's call it Animal X, at one time in history that could respond to DQ. B. You have said that no animal exists today that can respond to DQ. 1. Give me an example of something Animal X could do, as a result of being responsive to DQ, that no animal today can do. C. You had mentioned in a post to me earlier that when you cat "can stare at its tail in wonder" you'd believe it can respond to DQ. Is this an example of something Animal X could do? D. You recently said that, as a result of being responsive to DQ, Animal X could die. Is this an implication that no animal today can die? Or, you could say, "I hold an absurd position that I am unable to justify or defend, but I wish to hold it anyway because I am more interested in clinging to my beliefs than I am in expanding my understanding", and we can just leave it at that. It would sure beat the little run-arounds and rhetoric games that say the same thing. Just thought I'd give you this out... moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
