Subject: [MD] intelligent design [Gav]
the world is full of patterns. the same basic patterns are seen in different phenomena and at different scales. does this imply an intelligence at work? [Ron] Gav, It is my position, after giving this topic much of my time, that the brain tends to simplify and exaggerate sensory data. We see pattern because that is what the brain does. A large percentage of the brain is commited to face and symbol recognition. [Gav] skip to basic law of esoterica: 1. there is no thing that is not a manifestation of intelligence. the spatio-temporal world, the manifest world, *is made manifest by some'thing'*. it is the explicate order that reflects the atemporal implicate order. intelligence is the awareness of *meaning*; but it, like quality, is inseparable from said awareness. intelligence *is* meaning. it is a two way street: meaning becomes manifest through the perpetually creative present; and meaning is perceived in the manifest by this awareness which is meaning itself: identification through resonance..... these feedback loops are how consciousness evolves. higher integrations of meaning are available as the consciousness recognises certain archetypal dynamics. this evolutionary journey is symbolically represented in the Tarot. [Gav] intelligence is *the spirit of evolution*; there can be no evolution without creation and creation is intelligent (for it arises from the atemporal present - meaning becoming manifest), hence Bergson's 'creative evolution'. there can be no teleological source or end to evolution without an intelligence, 'behind-the scenes', so to speak. purpose implies intelligence. [Ron] Again I believe it is perception, our brains which attribute meaning. ie. man in the moon, elvis in a potatoe chip, jesus in the bark of a tree or water stain,The Rorschach inkblot test. [Gav] the neo-darwinian materialist view of evolution is narrow and soulless. the christian fundamentalist view of creation and intelligent design are scientifically flawed. the 'debate' goes nowhere. [Ron] I sense it will continue to go no-where as long as perception is ruled as absolute. To clarify a point, I think the symbolism chosen is an important tool similar with what Dmb quoted Joseph Campbell as saying about mythology. Understanding the importance of myth and symbol in perception is key. I liked Platts Respose to this thread. His symbolism evokes an understanding and a relating to the unverse which helps him to cope with his everyday life in a manner which inspires him to endeavor towards Quality. As long as this is understood and that goal is aimed at, he could use any symbolism which evokes those concepts. Myth and symbol are very powerful. ________________________________________________________________________ _________ Yahoo!7 Mail has just got even bigger and better with unlimited storage on all webmail accounts. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/unlimitedstorage.html moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
