On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Lodewijk <[email protected]>wrote: > > I indeed think that the time for extensive internal discussions within our > group should be over. We keep discussing internally and not moving on at > the same time. Let's cut our losses, finalize what we have, write down what > we don't have and pass that on. Then I hope that Harel will clear enough > space in the schedule for the specific topics that need more discussion, > and that we will be able to move things forth there in a broader circle. > The major downside is of course that once again the board seems to be > unable to attend those sessions, so it will probably be a one-sided > discussion. > > So I agree Theo: it ain't perfect. But I don't see how another physical MR > meeting will resolve this, and I rather expect it to make things worse > because it will at the same time rise suspicions, increase uneasyness for > people to not be allowed in these discussions and for example hinder > chapcom discussions. > > I think you are conflicting yourself a bit there. ;)
I am all for a final discussion to agree on what we have, but we *do need* a final meeting, this can not just go away with a whimper. There is a lot that has happened, not just within the group but externally. We would be ignorant to not acknowledge that; opinions might have changed or other factors we didn't consider earlier might have come up. I don't think you will disagree, that a lot has happened since the last physical meeting. You said we kept avoiding the discussion about some important issues, so the solution now is to conclude without them at all? I believe the timing with the board meetings is a relatively minor scheduling issue that is being blows out-of-proportion. I am not as concerned about uneasy-ness, or suspicions as you might be. I never got that sense the last time, or after, I did hear wider criticism on not coming to a conclusion last year. My main point is, before we bring this to any larger stage or the board hurriedly approves, it is vitally important we have consensus internally. If this is how recommendations are to be finalized, anyone can discuss the issues with 2 other participants in private, we can agree to abolish all entities, proclaim Lodewijk high-lord king of the chapters (you don't have a choice), and increase the scope of the council to include the Milky way and the Andromeda galaxy. I believe they would have as much legitimacy as the ones that will be finalized in Berlin with "whoever shows up". Regards Theo
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