Hi Ike, I'm afraid I don't know one end of a connector from the other so I had them sent from the factory. Funny enough my tech had already built himself the same wires to facilitate working on the master section. We also re-wired the desk in Gotham and Transparent cable, removing all elcos and going practically point to point, this was a mammoth job and costly to boot. I had thought about this in 1998 and did it in 2009 so I have only myself to blame :) Best Graeme.
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ike Zimbel Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 5:35 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: NEOTEK: Elite questions (was Elan meters) Hi Graeme, Did you go with male headers on the motherboard to female-to-female ribbon cables to the male headers on the modules, or did you solder the bare ends of the ribbon cable to the motherboard and then terminate the ribbons with female headers? The former is what I did with Doug McClement's Elite 358, now in Brent Punshon's studio in Australia. The latter is how the newer boards come from the factory (both from Sytek, and before that the Martinsound built Elite II's etc.). best, Ike On 1/24/2010 3:31 PM, [email protected] wrote: > Hi, > I had the mother board ribbon cable job done and all has been good since > then. > Graeme. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Ike Zimbel > Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 9:53 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: NEOTEK: Elite questions (was Elan meters) > > Hi Tommy, > Answers in BLUE, below. > > On 1/23/2010 5:28 PM, Tommy Mokas wrote: > >> Ike, >> >> Re: the master section, that sounds about right. I've gotten down in >> there with the tech I had come in and look at it before, and it >> certainly does NOT look like a small amount of work, but for someone >> who knows how to do this, what should that cost? I realize the parts >> can't be that expensive :)There's a few "it depends"sort of things >> (like if the connectors on the master modules need replacing at the >> same time) that could affect the price. I'm supposed to be doing one >> here in Toronto some time this year, if the time and money come >> together. I will start pricing it out at any rate. >> >> The power supply doesn't appear to have any sort of model number on it >> (unless you can indicate to me where i'd find that). however, the way >> that its constructed might indicate that it has been modified, as it >> doesn't look factory. Post a picture. They are probably PS-3's. >> >> It has 5 fuses with indicator lights in the front of it, in order: >> +18, -18, Logic, Meter, Phantom >> >> They are labeled with a P-Touch style labeler with their values, in >> order: >> 8A, 8A, 1A, 3A, 2A >> >> There are also two other fuses to the left and right of the power >> switch, both at 7A. >> >> This board was also previously fitted with an Audio Kinetics VCA >> Automation system, but I never owned it and its only remains are the >> large P&G faders and the plates that accompany them, labeled and cut >> with the holes where the automation buttons would be. >> >> It has 32 mono modules and does not have a master insert. Its another >> thing i'd love to add eventually. The tech that helped me get out of >> my original panic of the master section (I was stuck in dim mode and >> talkback didn't work) was describing some sort of custom made master >> insert that would be made with Neve line drivers, giving it some >> transformer mojo. Not sure what you have to say in the ways of that. >> I should have the circuit cards for my master insert mod in my hands >> some time next week. I am not a big fan of kit-bashing different makes >> of consoles into one frame. Most people like the Neotek because they >> are a very clean, honest, musical desk. What I recommend is put a >> Neotek style master insert point in, and then you can insert whatever >> kind of Mojo you want on a project by project basis. If you want to >> hear what an Elite can sound like after it has been worked on by me, >> buy this CD:http://www.corinraymond.com/ (there's not much to see on >> the web site, just click on the "Buy it Now" button...that takes you >> to CD Baby where you can buy a song or two, or the whole album). >> Tracked and mixed here in Toronto at the Rogue Studios on an Elite 364 >> that has had the following done: Power supply rebuild/upgrade, Stereo >> Master and Monitor section upgrade, balanced insert return on two mix >> added and some upgrades to theMic Pre, Line inputs, HPF and Buss amps >> on the first dozen or so modules, where a lot of the work was done. >> Engineered by James Paul who also owns the studio. >> >> It was originally at Forge Recording outside of Philadelphia, PA. It >> was used to do :30 sec spots to tape and still has a digital stop >> clock mounted next to the big VU's, but unfortunately it no longer >> functions. From what I've been told, this board was ordered the way >> that it is custom, which if I recall correctly, was the case with most >> Neotek's in the '80's. >> >> For the record, I think this console sounds fantastic! But hey, what >> kind of engineer would I be if I didn't want it to be better? Would >> love to hear your thoughts concerning moving it as well, and the best >> way to do so. Do what Jim said in his post. Just make sure to be >> careful with the ribbon cables when you take the modules out. Pack the >> modules away carefully. Don't lose the screws, they're hard to find! >> > Best, > Ike > >> >> >> >> On Jan 23, 2010, at 3:17 PM, Ike Zimbel wrote: >> >> >>> Hi Tommy, >>> The short answer is that the master section gets modified so the >>> mother board stays on the bottom of the console and new female Molex >>> headers are attached to motherboard via short ribbon cables, so the >>> master section is mounted sorta' like the channel modules. It's a big >>> job that involves a lot of de-soldering on the motherboard (tricky). >>> What model power supplies do you have, PS-3? They will benefit >>> from a rebuild. >>> Which console do you have, an Elite or Elan? >>> Best, >>> Ike >>> >>> On 1/23/2010 2:13 PM, Tommy Mokas wrote: >>> >>>> Hello everyone, I believe it was recently a point of discussion, but >>>> it is there a general consensus on the best way to redo the master >>>> section in an 80's (mine is from 1986) Elite or Elan and move it >>>> away from its poorly designed daughterboard situation? I have some >>>> days when I have to tap/coerce it so that my meters and/or stereo >>>> bus operate correctly, and it really doesn't bode well with me to >>>> leave it as is forever, whether it works or not....especially if >>>> clients are about. >>>> >>>> Also, if I were to want to move the console to a new location, is it >>>> best to pull out each card and the master section and move the frame >>>> separate? It seems like that would be a good time to do the master >>>> section work if that were the case. >>>> >>>> One final question....I have two power supplies, and I have only >>>> ever used one of them. I want to see which of them is better, and >>>> to my knowledge, they are both stock. What are some things I should >>>> look for, or even ways to go about testing this (both electronically >>>> and sonically)? Furthermore, should I determine that they are both >>>> of equal quality, what are some mods that can be done to improve its >>>> design and maybe therefore improving my headroom? I wouldn't be >>>> performing any of these mods by myself, but have some handy friends! >>>> >>>> Thanks so much, this list has been such a valuable resource. I love >>>> my Neotek and intend to use it for many years ahead, gotta make sure >>>> my baby's healthy! >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Tommy >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> > -- Ike Zimbel Zimbel Audio Productions Ltd. Toronto 416-720-0887 "Studio House Calls". 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