Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:27:27 -0500
From: Richard Feltenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: error 5

I am using fixmail to strip any html messages before I read my mail.  
Then I can read all my messages, and the html messages are also 
readable.  I downloaded it from:

http://www.mindspring.com/~n8kl/files/fixmail.zip

Richard


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   >Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 22:44:22 +0500
   >If the message hasn't caused N-T to choak then like always you can
   >save the html file and use either the htm to txt converter or
   >their's another one called htm strip or something like that I can't
   >recall it's full name. These work ok but it would be a second
   >operation.  If Dave put that function right into the reader of N-T
   >this would be a great function. However, I don't think their has
   >been any work done on N-T or the reader in specific so that's
   >likely not going to happen.  I don't know where Dave has gone with
   >Nettamer but I fear it's ending up as abandedware. Anyways, if the
   >file still causes N-T to choak when reading then theirs no real
   >easy way to get at that file but to stop reading and doing some of
   >the things that you have already tried to do like cut and paste.  I
   >really never need to do this because whenever I get this type of
   >message it's always been spam and I can tell what spam it is by
   >reading the subject line from the roater function in Nettamer.
   >Then I just "e" the file and move on! All these problems in my mind
   >stem from the reader function in Nettamer and I really haven't
   >found where the viedo card plays a role in that error. As for the
   >memory I'm not certain but that might have something to do with it
   >but that's much harder to determine I believe. I guess it's just
   >that Nettamer is and can be a lot of things but it's not everything
   >and we just need to remember that.  As long as the majority of mail
   >is text well that's fine but if it goes over to html for the
   >majority of messages then I believe their's going to be a day of
   >change needed for sure and N-T just won't be able to keep-up.
   >However I don't think that day is here by a long shot just because
   >in the majority of mail lists that I belong to which are not
   >blindness related and are not computer geeks, the majority of those
   >common folks all post in text for some reason. So they seem to have
   >the basic good sense to figure out that not everyone is using html
   >for mail. Anyways hope you figure it out for yourself. Mark
   >On 2002-02-25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
   >-CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
   >-you are right indeed.  after all what makes microsoft sell is the
   >-effort made to keep users in the dark about how things work. in
   >-yahoo, when one joins a list you can choose to have the html left
   >-out. i still wish we had an html filter as a part of nettamer.
   >-actually I still need one in general, but to have to take a
   >message, -save it, filter it, only to dump it seems like a lot of
   >trouble. -i would love to see from nettamer a
   >-"filter this message to remove html characters?
   >-from a speech standpoint it sounds frightful!
   >-karen
   >-On 2002-02-25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
   >->Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 00:38:21 +0500
   >->Hello All,
   >->Yes I have also these double messages all of the time on
   >->any number of lists.  I think that it just boils down to the fact
   >->that majority of the senders do not know their e--mail program and
   >->do not know how to change the setting and or that they just don't
   >->care because they don't understand how the net works and they
   >->believe that everyone uses just what they use.  Many of these
   >users ->have most likely not been around very many years and they
   >do not ->know a thing about text or much else than what their gui
   >program ->will default to when setting it up. When I recieve a
   >double message ->it always comes first text and then the html.  So
   >I can remove the ->message after reading the text part.  Only spam
   >comes to me in true ->html only without a text part. When I recieve
   >one of these I can ->generally read the first few lines to get an
   >idea as to what the ->html is going for and then just remove the
   >file because it's just ->trash. Once and a while I also recieve the
   >error (5) message and I ->believe for me its related to the larger
   >spam messages.  I cannot ->read these but when going into the
   >Nettamer list of files before ->reading I can tell what the listing
   >is and most frequently it's a ->spam wo I just (e) the file and
   >have it resort and the offending ->file is removed. I don't think
   >that it is related to sounds or the ->viedo setting.
   >->Mark
   >->On 2002-02-24 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
   >->-Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 00:07:14 -0500
   >->-On Sat, 23 Feb 2002 18:17:08 -0700
   >->-"Ronald C. Dailey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
   >->-> Your experience mirrors what I have seen in a particular group
   >->->that I  have long been subsribed to and that is now a part of
   >->->yahoo groups.  Some members tend to send e-mail that is partly
   >->->quoted-printable and  then the text is duplicated in html.  I
   >->just ->let it go because everyone  else is using some form of
   >->Windows ->e-mail, and they can read the darned  things without
   >->problems. -> Ronald Dailey
   >->-Ron:
   >->-I know they can read the darned things without problems.  I just
   >->-don't understand why they send the darned things.  It just
   >doesn't ->-make sense to me.  Why do they think anybody would want
   >to read ->-the darned things anyway, with or without problems?  If
   >you tell ->-me once in ascii, you don't need to tell me the same
   >darned thing ->-again in HTML.  Why do people feel the need to
   >repeat themselves? ->-People who go around needlessly repeating
   >themselves all the time ->-have a problem.  If they are saying
   >something in a different way ->-for the purpose of further
   >clarifying what they had previously ->-said, or if they are just
   >re-iterating for the purpose of ->-emphasizing the importance and
   >the need for attention to something ->-they had said before, then
   >that is OK. ->-Sam Heywood
   >->-> On 2002-02-23 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
   >->->> Almost all of the HTML emails that I get are basically
   >->->>duplicates of  the text version.  Font sizes are usually quite
   >->->>small and the font  colors are usually black and the background
   >->->>is white.  I see  absolutely no point in sending dupe HTMLs of
   >->->>this type and I  consider it quite an annoyance and a waste of
   >->-bandwidth.  When I
   >->-> <snip>
   >->->> Sam Heywood
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