+10
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 10:13 PM, Fabio Maulo <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
and sine when to donate time is different than donate money ?
Wasn't Steve's time paid ?
Sergej was hired (probably as Steve is a iMeta's employee), sure,
and that is a little bit different than donate and receive an invoice.
Suppositions:
Tomorrow the XYZ company is available to pay 3 months of Richard's
time to work in NH.
After tomorrow the ZYX company is available to pay 3 weeks of
Tuna's time to work in NH.
ranlix company is available to spent 3 days of Davy's time to fix
something or develop a new feature.
My point is that, so far, NH have received donations directly paid
to a person with a clear agreement .
Everything can continue working in the same way... to manage any
kind of amount, for 1U$D up, is not so easy without a real
Organization behind the funds.
2010/2/3 Ayende Rahien <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
Fabio,
IIRC, Sergej was hired by JBoss, then shortly after put to
work on other things.
iMeta's donation was of time, not money. That makes it easier
to manage.
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Fabio Maulo
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
What was around one year of Sergej full time development ?
What was 3 man-moths (or even more) full time development
donated by iMeta ?
2010/2/3 Ayende Rahien <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
Were there any donations
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 10:38 PM, Fabio Maulo
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
Can we take the recent past and no so recent past,
of NHibernate "donations", as example of a
possible funds management ?
2010/2/3 Davy Brion <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
personally, i don't think the money should go
to the committers... yeah, we do work on it
for free but most of us do it because we
_want_ to work on it, not because it might
someday pay some bills
i would vote for spending the money on
infrastructure... a faster jira server, a
faster svn server, things like that...
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 9:04 PM, Steve Strong
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I think the idea is a great one,
particularly the offer to match donations
- very kind! I do have a couple of
comments - firstly, whenever money gets
involved, some people have a tendency to
loose sight of reality and start seeing
$$$ signs in front of their eyes. Given
that, I would suggest that we as a group
define the rules for how this works prior
to taking donations - that way, everyone
(us and those donating) understand where
the money is going and we don't end up in
pointless arguments. I suspect the levels
of money won't be all that high, but you
never can tell and knowing how it is to be
distributed is important. I think we need
to answer questions like:
* Who is eligible for the money? Any
committer? Only "active"
committers? What defines "active"?
* How is the money split? Do all
committers (however that's defined)
get the same amount? Is it split by
number of commits? Number of lines
of code changed?
* Who owns the bank account? Who has
visibility of it? Is it available
for public viewing?
* Do we have any other needs for money
other than just distributing it
amongst individuals? Should we keep
a pot for "NHibernate" activities,
such as perhaps sponsoring the
occasional conference? Hell, if
there's enough cash we could even
have an NHibernate stand! NHibernate
T-Shirts & Mugs anyone?!
Secondly, I don't see why you shouldn't
take a share of this Ayende - you have
made many contributions to the project,
and I see NHProf as something different.
Although your *knowledge* of NH helped you
write it, there was nothing about being a
committer that made it possible. Anyone
else *could* have written NHProf without
being a committer if they'd had both the
idea and the ambition to take it forward.
NHProf will make its own money and has its
own associated costs. I don't really see
the two (your commercial activity with
NHProf and your altruistic activity with
NH) are related. If they are, then any
one of us that undertakes commercial NH
consultancy or writes or contributes to an
NH book etc. would also have to come under
the same rules.
Any thoughts?
Cheers,
Steve
On 03/02/2010 17:23, Ayende Rahien wrote:
Guys,
I am setting up a donation campaign for
NHibernate. As part of that campaign, my
company will donate 5,000$ for the project.
Below is the text of the blog post that I
intend to post. I would like to get your
comments and any suggestions on how to
make this better.
NHibernate is the most popular Open
Source Object Relational Mapper in the
.NET framework. As an Open Source
project, all the work done on it is done
for free. We would like to be able to
dedicate more time to NHibernate, but
even as a labor of love, the amount of
time that we can spend on a free project
is limited.
In order to facilitate that, we opened a
donation campaign
<http://pledgie.com/campaigns/8615> that
will allow you to donate money to the
project.
Click here to lend your support to:
NHibernate and make a donation at
www.pledgie.com !
<http://www.pledgie.com/campaigns/8615>
*What is this money going to be used for?*
This money will go directly to NHibernate
committers, in order to sponsor the
development of NHibernate itself.
As one caveat of that, none of that
money is going to go to me
personally. As you are probably
aware, I have my own commercial
interest in NHibernate (NHibernate
Profiler <http://nhprof.com/>), so I
don’t feel I should benefit from the
donations.
*Donation Matching*
Moreover, my company, Hibernating Rhinos
<http://hibernatingrhinos.com/>, is going
to /match any donation /to this campaign
(to a total limit of 5,000$), as a way to
give back to the NHibernate project for
the excellent software it produced.
*Why should you donate?*
If you are a user of NHibernate, you
gained a lot from build on such a solid
foundation. We ask to you to donate so
that we can make the project even better.
If your company uses NHibernate, ask it
to donate to this campaign.
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Fabio Maulo
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