Exactly. My minimum estimate is several thousands. That is not a lot, but it is a respectable enough sum.
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 11:21 PM, Steve Strong <[email protected]> wrote: > I think the difference is that getting a company to donate time is a > relatively big thing. What I think Ayende is aiming to tap into is > individuals who might have the odd $ or two to donate - they don't have the > time or expertise themselves, not the influence within their company to get > any time committed. > > I guess the key question is how much do we realistically think we'd get? > If it's only a few hundred, then it simply won't be worth the effort of > getting started... > > On 03/02/2010 22:15, Davy Brion wrote: > > +10 > > On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 10:13 PM, Fabio Maulo <[email protected]> wrote: > >> and sine when to donate time is different than donate money ? >> Wasn't Steve's time paid ? >> Sergej was hired (probably as Steve is a iMeta's employee), sure, and that >> is a little bit different than donate and receive an invoice. >> >> Suppositions: >> Tomorrow the XYZ company is available to pay 3 months of Richard's time to >> work in NH. >> After tomorrow the ZYX company is available to pay 3 weeks of Tuna's time >> to work in NH. >> ranlix company is available to spent 3 days of Davy's time to fix >> something or develop a new feature. >> >> My point is that, so far, NH have received donations directly paid to a >> person with a clear agreement . >> Everything can continue working in the same way... to manage any kind >> of amount, for 1U$D up, is not so easy without a real Organization behind >> the funds. >> >> 2010/2/3 Ayende Rahien <[email protected]> >> >>> Fabio, >>> IIRC, Sergej was hired by JBoss, then shortly after put to work on other >>> things. >>> iMeta's donation was of time, not money. That makes it easier to manage. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Fabio Maulo <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> What was around one year of Sergej full time development ? >>>> What was 3 man-moths (or even more) full time development donated by >>>> iMeta ? >>>> >>>> 2010/2/3 Ayende Rahien <[email protected]> >>>> >>>> Were there any donations >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 10:38 PM, Fabio Maulo <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Can we take the recent past and no so recent past, of NHibernate >>>>>> "donations", as example of a possible funds management ? >>>>>> >>>>>> 2010/2/3 Davy Brion <[email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>> personally, i don't think the money should go to the committers... >>>>>>> yeah, we do work on it for free but most of us do it because we _want_ >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> work on it, not because it might someday pay some bills >>>>>>> >>>>>>> i would vote for spending the money on infrastructure... a faster >>>>>>> jira server, a faster svn server, things like that... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 9:04 PM, Steve Strong <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think the idea is a great one, particularly the offer to match >>>>>>>> donations - very kind! I do have a couple of comments - firstly, >>>>>>>> whenever >>>>>>>> money gets involved, some people have a tendency to loose sight of >>>>>>>> reality >>>>>>>> and start seeing $$$ signs in front of their eyes. Given that, I would >>>>>>>> suggest that we as a group define the rules for how this works prior to >>>>>>>> taking donations - that way, everyone (us and those donating) >>>>>>>> understand >>>>>>>> where the money is going and we don't end up in pointless arguments. I >>>>>>>> suspect the levels of money won't be all that high, but you never can >>>>>>>> tell >>>>>>>> and knowing how it is to be distributed is important. I think we need >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> answer questions like: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - Who is eligible for the money? Any committer? Only "active" >>>>>>>> committers? What defines "active"? >>>>>>>> - How is the money split? Do all committers (however that's >>>>>>>> defined) get the same amount? Is it split by number of commits? >>>>>>>> Number of >>>>>>>> lines of code changed? >>>>>>>> - Who owns the bank account? Who has visibility of it? Is it >>>>>>>> available for public viewing? >>>>>>>> - Do we have any other needs for money other than just >>>>>>>> distributing it amongst individuals? Should we keep a pot for >>>>>>>> "NHibernate" >>>>>>>> activities, such as perhaps sponsoring the occasional conference? >>>>>>>> Hell, if >>>>>>>> there's enough cash we could even have an NHibernate stand! >>>>>>>> NHibernate >>>>>>>> T-Shirts & Mugs anyone?! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Secondly, I don't see why you shouldn't take a share of this Ayende >>>>>>>> - you have made many contributions to the project, and I see NHProf as >>>>>>>> something different. Although your *knowledge* of NH helped you write >>>>>>>> it, >>>>>>>> there was nothing about being a committer that made it possible. >>>>>>>> Anyone >>>>>>>> else *could* have written NHProf without being a committer if they'd >>>>>>>> had >>>>>>>> both the idea and the ambition to take it forward. NHProf will make >>>>>>>> its own >>>>>>>> money and has its own associated costs. I don't really see the two >>>>>>>> (your >>>>>>>> commercial activity with NHProf and your altruistic activity with NH) >>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>> related. If they are, then any one of us that undertakes commercial NH >>>>>>>> consultancy or writes or contributes to an NH book etc. would also >>>>>>>> have to >>>>>>>> come under the same rules. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Any thoughts? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 03/02/2010 17:23, Ayende Rahien wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Guys, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am setting up a donation campaign for NHibernate. As part of that >>>>>>>> campaign, my company will donate 5,000$ for the project. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Below is the text of the blog post that I intend to post. I would >>>>>>>> like to get your comments and any suggestions on how to make this >>>>>>>> better. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> NHibernate is the most popular Open Source Object Relational >>>>>>>> Mapper in the .NET framework. As an Open Source project, all the work >>>>>>>> done >>>>>>>> on it is done for free. We would like to be able to dedicate more >>>>>>>> time to >>>>>>>> NHibernate, but even as a labor of love, the amount of time that we can >>>>>>>> spend on a free project is limited. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In order to facilitate that, we opened a donation >>>>>>>> campaign<http://pledgie.com/campaigns/8615>that will allow you to >>>>>>>> donate money to the project. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [image: Click here to lend your support to: NHibernate and make a >>>>>>>> donation at www.pledgie.com !]<http://www.pledgie.com/campaigns/8615> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *What is this money going to be used for?* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This money will go directly to NHibernate committers, in order to >>>>>>>> sponsor the development of NHibernate itself. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As one caveat of that, none of that money is going to go to me >>>>>>>> personally. As you are probably aware, I have my own commercial >>>>>>>> interest in >>>>>>>> NHibernate (NHibernate Profiler <http://nhprof.com/>), so I don’t >>>>>>>> feel I should benefit from the donations. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Donation Matching* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Moreover, my company, Hibernating >>>>>>>> Rhinos<http://hibernatingrhinos.com/>, >>>>>>>> is going to *match any donation *to this campaign (to a total limit >>>>>>>> of 5,000$), as a way to give back to the NHibernate project for the >>>>>>>> excellent software it produced. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Why should you donate?* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you are a user of NHibernate, you gained a lot from build on such >>>>>>>> a solid foundation. We ask to you to donate so that we can make the >>>>>>>> project >>>>>>>> even better. If your company uses NHibernate, ask it to donate to this >>>>>>>> campaign. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Fabio Maulo >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Fabio Maulo >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Fabio Maulo >> >> >
