I'm pretty sure that if it uses a motorcycle frame then it stil requires a tag, and the rider is required to have a MC license, but I would imagine that it would be state specific.
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Minh Trat <[email protected]> wrote: > Interesting concept. Would the electric motorcycle conversions have to > be insured like the regular engines? (Size of engine =insurance rate > etc.), or be like a motorized bicycle(no insurance or license needed)? > > I can imagine using lithium ion batteries would reduce the weight > slightly in the build-your-own link. > > On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 8:27 AM, paul annen <[email protected]> wrote: > > kurt, i think this is more of what you are looking at? > > > http://www.electricmotordepot.com/products/EnerTrac-Hub-Motor-MHM602.html > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 9:27 AM, paul annen <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >> gerrr it helps if i paste the link > >> http://www.instructables.com/id/Build-Your-Own-ELECTRIC-MOTORCYCLE/ > >> > >> > >> On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 9:27 AM, paul annen <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>> > >>> ironically this was in the next email i opened this morning. i havent > >>> read it yet, but i thought i would post > >>> > >>> > >>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 9:25 AM, paul annen <[email protected]> > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> very true, and i also imagined that the reserve battery would also > >>>> function as the starting battery. with a 24v or higher system, i would > >>>> recomend replacing the starter with one made for the higher voltages. > >>>> > >>>> it might make the bike feel totally different, but what about putting > >>>> your hub motor in the front wheel? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Kurt Nolte < > [email protected]> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> I was actually imagining it going the other way, not sure why I > didn't > >>>>> make that clearer. I envision the motor pack also being the starting > >>>>> battery, as well as the reserve battery. > >>>>> > >>>>> One or two 12V cells would be devoted as the "stock" battery, and > with > >>>>> a little coding one could even let the pack controller use the 12V > >>>>> alternator to recondition cells as life goes on. Any retrofit > package for > >>>>> this would likely include a rewound alternator, however. > >>>>> > >>>>> I realize not all bikes have a rear drum hub, but then not all bikes > >>>>> have a chain drive either so that wouldn't be universal either. My > target > >>>>> market is still largely drum rears, and it would be easy to swap a > drum rear > >>>>> wheel on those with only disc brakes back there; there are many > options, > >>>>> factory and aftermarket. > >>>>> > >>>>> Kurt. > >>>>> > >>>>> On Feb 16, 2012 12:35 PM, "paul annen" <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> you are correct that higher volts will require less amps to do the > >>>>>> same work (watts is watts is watts), and i do like the retrofit > option, you > >>>>>> could also fairly easily use that rear break to do > >>>>>> some regenerative functions as well. but not all bikes have the > option of a > >>>>>> rear wheel hub design, you might be better off driving off the > existing > >>>>>> chain. this way you could also incorporate it as a chain tensioner. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> are you imagining using the bikes charging system? we all know that > >>>>>> these are weak links in the vintage hondas (another side note was a > thought > >>>>>> to have a small 30amp automotive alt mounted on the swing arm with a > >>>>>> sprocket to bypass the rectifier, spring pull the tension on the > alt and you > >>>>>> have an automatic chain tensioner) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Kurt Nolte > >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Sounds like a good idea for a Range Extended Battery Electric, > which > >>>>>>> I feel is probably where the auto industry is going to head, for > better or > >>>>>>> worse. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I like the modular idea, especially the ability to add/subtract and > >>>>>>> hot-swap battery packs. One of my primary ideas would actually be > to devise > >>>>>>> a "retrofit" package to hybridize most bikes with minimally > invasive common > >>>>>>> parts. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> The core concept its the use of a "hub" or "internal stator" motor > >>>>>>> design, pressed into place of the rear drum brake. This allows for > a direct > >>>>>>> drive DC design, high torque and the ability to run electric-only > for a > >>>>>>> time. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Rear braking would now be electric, using a variable resistor to > >>>>>>> determine braking load, tied to the stock brake pedal. The motor > >>>>>>> controller's speed sensor would allow for ABS functionality without > >>>>>>> additional parts, as a bonus, and the whole motor assembly > shouldn't add > >>>>>>> more than a pound or two, tops. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Using this, I'd also downsize the engine, generally by a 1/3 but > >>>>>>> obviously dependant on the individual bike. The motor torque added > in the > >>>>>>> bottom end of the range would allow riders to feel like the engine > its much > >>>>>>> bigger. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I think that both motor and pack should operate at high voltage, > >>>>>>> preferably 36-72+V. This will allow for smaller, more flexible > wires and > >>>>>>> also provide a beneficial bump in torque. The pack can still be be > charged > >>>>>>> by a 12V alternator using the right connections and isolator > circuits. High > >>>>>>> voltage packs are also better for the controllers, limiting max > current > >>>>>>> flow. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> That's it from me for now, when I'm on a proper keyboard I'll add > >>>>>>> more. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Kurt > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Feb 16, 2012 10:42 AM, "paul annen" <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > well, my idea was to use as many stock Honda parts as i could, so > >>>>>>> > that i could market it to honda after. i also want to use a 24v > system. this > >>>>>>> > is to make the charging system easy. motor controller and basic > battery set > >>>>>>> > on the chassis with modular extra batteries in saddle bags and a > "trunk" > >>>>>>> > with the engine and mobile charger (also modular). my > engine/mobile charger > >>>>>>> > is about as simple as it gets, small engine (can offer diffrent > engine sets > >>>>>>> > for gas, diesel, LP.... ) set at a constant rpm coupled to a 24v > automotive > >>>>>>> > alt (yes they make them, mostly for bigger trucks). > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > the modular thought is that if your daily commute is short enough > >>>>>>> > you dont need the extra weight (and wear) from the engine > and batteries, > >>>>>>> > simply plug it in to charge, but longer commutes the > extra batteries might > >>>>>>> > be needed, for longer trips you will want to have the engine for > "on the > >>>>>>> > road" charging. yes, while cruising you will probably use more > power then > >>>>>>> > the alt can keep up with, but if you stop every so often (and > leave the > >>>>>>> > charging engine running) you can build charge back up. > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > my first concept was using standard car batteries, (i was 12, cut > >>>>>>> > me some slack) now i am thinking that li ion makes a much better > choice, but > >>>>>>> > thats also where the modular design comes in, as battery tech > improves, you > >>>>>>> > can upgrade without scrapping the whole bike. > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > not that ive spent any time thinking about this at all.. comments > >>>>>>> > and suggestions are welcome.. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>>>>>> Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. > >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to > >>>>>>> [email protected]. > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>>>>>> [email protected]. > >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at > >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>>>>> Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. > >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to > >>>>>> [email protected]. > >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>>>>> [email protected]. > >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at > >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en. > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>>>> Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. > >>>>> To post to this group, send email to > [email protected]. > >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>>>> [email protected]. > >>>>> For more options, visit this group at > >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en. > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected]. > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. 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