Gary F., List:

Science as a discipline of engineering? That’s too much of a stretch for me
> ... It would be like claiming that mathematics is a discipline of
> physics. Only more so.  J
>

Well, I acknowledged that it is a provocative notion.  The point is that
science is pursued with the same basic motivation--transforming
dissatisfaction into satisfaction--as engineering and any other human
endeavor.


> Engineering, as I understand it, always involves some technology, some
> manipulation of the physical world for some conscious purpose other than
> discovery of its nature.
>

Why should discovering the nature of the physical world be privileged over
all other conscious purposes?


> The conception or selection of that purpose, of the end to which the
> engineering project is the means, is the job of the normative sciences,
> which are themselves only part of science in the Peircean sense.
>

This reflects the status of engineering as almost purely
instrumental--clients and managers dictate what engineers do, rather than
engineers themselves.  My writings on engineering ethics attempt to explore
whether and how engineers might someday escape this "social captivity," as
Steven L. Goldman has called it.

Regards,

Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA
Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layman
www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt
<http://www.linkedin.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt> - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt
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