I have my doubts about that - i.e., that the 'binary would turn deism itself into a binary, while the triadic form ..clears the space..
The explosion of nominalism in the 13th c was a binaristic rejection of triadism, with the 'mediation force' defined by the Church as an essentialist a priori deterministic deity about which only the Church had access to define and teach. The Peircean triad is completely different, for the mediative Force, let's say of Thirdness, is a vital part of the existential entity and not separate - even though it cannot itself be 'existential'. This is very hard for the non-scientific mindset to deal with. Binarism is political, in that it is either This Force or That Force that is in power...and both are existential, in various modes of Secondness, [2-2, 2-1]..and can readily be fought against/for. Edwina ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen C. Rose To: Edwina Taborsky ; Peirce List Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Possible Article of Interest - CSP's "Mindset" from AI perspective THat's a big issue but at least we're talking about it. I would siumply say that the binary zeitgeist turns deism itself into a binary either while a triadic form would clear some space for the consideration that Peirce felt was so vital to the actual betterment of people -- the son he never had fr example. Peirce: “If I had a son, I should instill into him this view of morality (that is, that Ethics is the science of the method of bringing Self-Control to bear to gain satisfaction) and force him to see that there is but one thing that raises one individual animal above another, — Self-Mastery; and should teach him that the Will is free only in the sense that, by employing the proper appliances, he can make himself behave in the way he really desires to behave. As to what one ought to desire, it is, I should teach him, what he will desire if he sufficiently considers it, and that will be to make his life beautiful, admirable. Now the science of the Admirable is true Esthetics.” (As quoted in Brent, Peirce: A Life, p49). amazon.com/author/stephenrose On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 9:29 AM, Edwina Taborsky <[email protected]> wrote: I don't think it's that apocalyptic a scenario. Certainly in the sciences, such as biology and physics, the triadic mode of functioning is vital and I think we are seeing a lot of research that acknowledges this - even if it isn't referenced to Peirce. But I don't see such a mindset moving that rapidly into the humanities or social science areas. They will remain rather firmly binary. Binary thinking is simple, it is mechanistic, and after all, one of the dangers of a triadic format in these areas is that the mediation function becomes , so to speak, into a theistic essentialism. Same with the categories: Thirdness becomes transformed into a theistic force. Edwina ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen C. Rose To: Edwina Taborsky ; Peirce List Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Possible Article of Interest - CSP's "Mindset" from AI perspective Which makes it more imperative than ever that a way be found to make the triadic mode more understandable and to say why it is infinitely superior to binary thinking. Without it we perish. This is NOT an academic matter. amazon.com/author/stephenrose On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 8:51 AM, Edwina Taborsky <[email protected]> wrote: I don't find that it's the terms that slow down the use of Peirce in analysis; I find that it's the concept of a triadic semiosis with that vital mediation, and the concept of the three modal categories. Both seem very hard for people to grasp - and so, semiotics is reduced to the simplistic binarism of Saussurian semiology, which focuses only on individual units, and searches for their 'hidden', almost Freudian meanings of 'This'..Stands For..That'. Edwina ----- Original Message ----- From: "John F Sowa" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2017 9:23 PM Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Possible Article of Interest - CSP's "Mindset" from AI perspective On 2/8/2017 12:31 PM, Jerry LR Chandler wrote: The three triads of CSP, qualisign, sinsign, legisign; icon, index, symbol; rhema, dicisign, argument, can be, in my opinion, a “recipe” for realism; that is, the logical association of antecedent observations (Qualisigns with logical consequences (legisigns)) What I find exceedingly curious about the (strange) words of this table is that only the last word, “argument” is used in logic. The other eight words are merely dictionary words. Clearly, some similarity with 21 st Century AI exists in these three 19th Century triads. I have discussed, written about, and lectured on Peirce's semiotic to various audiences -- mostly in AI and cognitive science. His terminology is indeed a deterrent for many people. One wonders why CSP’s three triads have not been adopted. The words qualisign, sinsign, legisign, rhema, and dicisign have no chance of being accepted. Even Peirce scholars use them only when discussing Peirce's writings. The triad of icon, index, and symbol is the most widely recognized, cited, and used -- partly because the words are more common. Peirce's terms 'type' and 'token' are widely used even by people who have no idea where they came from. And the words 'predicate' and 'proposition' are common in logic. For teaching Peirce's semiotic, I therefore recommend that those five words should be replaced with terms that CSP himself used: mark, token, type; icon, index, symbol; predicate, proposition, argument. See Figure 2, page 5 of "Signs and reality": http://www.jfsowa.com/pubs/signs.pdf For example, consider an index of species. Is it real? Or, ideal? For both a nominalist and a realist, an index is something observable: a pointing finger, a pronoun in speech or writing, or a physical occurrence of some kind. But a species is a type, which is determined by some law of nature. A realist would say that the law is real. But a nominalist would say that a law is merely a pattern of words that summarize some observational data. In short, both nominalists and realists could use the nine terms above in practical applications. They would often reach the same conclusions, but they would disagree about the existence of referents for the words in the third column. John -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------- PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to [email protected] . 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