John, List: JFS: For teaching Peirce's semiotic, I therefore recommend that those five words should be replaced with terms that CSP himself used: mark, token, type; icon, index, symbol; predicate, proposition, argument.
I have no problem with mark/token/type, but "predicate" and "proposition" usually designate symbols. What would be some examples of a predicate that is an icon or an index, or a proposition that is an index? Demonstrative pronouns like "this" or "that" are usually classified as rhematic indexical legisigns, but it seems odd to call them "predicates" when their only function is to pick out subjects. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layman www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 8:52 PM, Stephen C. Rose <stever...@gmail.com> wrote: > This is a salient post. I think icon, index, symbol is the most useful of > the nominated survivors though my own adaptation reality ethics aesthetics > suits me as a sort of every-person triad for use in a daily discipline of > conscious thinking which is what I have been working to put forward. I > think "triadic thinking" is also a perfectly good term to set against > binary thinking. > > amazon.com/author/stephenrose > > On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 9:23 PM, John F Sowa <s...@bestweb.net> wrote: > >> On 2/8/2017 12:31 PM, Jerry LR Chandler wrote: >> >>> The three triads of CSP, >>> qualisign, sinsign, legisign; >>> icon, index, symbol; >>> rhema, dicisign, argument, >>> can be, in my opinion, a “recipe” for realism; that is, the logical >>> association of antecedent observations (Qualisigns with logical >>> consequences (legisigns)) What I find exceedingly curious about the >>> (strange) words of this table is that only the last word, “argument” is >>> used in logic. The other eight words are merely dictionary words. >>> Clearly, some similarity with 21 st Century AI exists in these three >>> 19th Century triads. >>> >> >> I have discussed, written about, and lectured on Peirce's semiotic >> to various audiences -- mostly in AI and cognitive science. His >> terminology is indeed a deterrent for many people. >> >> One wonders why CSP’s three triads have not been adopted. >>> >> >> The words qualisign, sinsign, legisign, rhema, and dicisign have >> no chance of being accepted. Even Peirce scholars use them only >> when discussing Peirce's writings. >> >> The triad of icon, index, and symbol is the most widely recognized, >> cited, and used -- partly because the words are more common. Peirce's >> terms 'type' and 'token' are widely used even by people who have no >> idea where they came from. And the words 'predicate' and 'proposition' >> are common in logic. >> >> For teaching Peirce's semiotic, I therefore recommend that those >> five words should be replaced with terms that CSP himself used: >> >> mark, token, type; >> icon, index, symbol; >> predicate, proposition, argument. >> >> See Figure 2, page 5 of "Signs and reality": >> http://www.jfsowa.com/pubs/signs.pdf >> >> For example, consider an index of species. >>> >>> Is it real? >>> Or, ideal? >>> >> >> For both a nominalist and a realist, an index is something >> observable: a pointing finger, a pronoun in speech or writing, >> or a physical occurrence of some kind. >> >> But a species is a type, which is determined by some law >> of nature. A realist would say that the law is real. >> But a nominalist would say that a law is merely a pattern >> of words that summarize some observational data. >> >> In short, both nominalists and realists could use the nine >> terms above in practical applications. They would often >> reach the same conclusions, but they would disagree about >> the existence of referents for the words in the third column. >> >> John > >
----------------------------- PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to peirce-L@list.iupui.edu . To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message not to PEIRCE-L but to l...@list.iupui.edu with the line "UNSubscribe PEIRCE-L" in the BODY of the message. More at http://www.cspeirce.com/peirce-l/peirce-l.htm .
