Jon, List,

1. Things impress upon me,
2. My impressions of those things are not those things.
3. If 2, and I don't see how we can deny that, then
4. such things exist in themselves regardless of how they impress upon us.
5. Thus, we cannot cognize that which necessarily exist in themselves, beyond 
our impressions (formal) of them.

That is the most basic format of the Kantian distinction.

I must also include this, ‘We can never attain knowledge of things as they are. 
We can only know their human aspect”.

May 20, 1911, Letter to Lady Welby.

Now, I can very well infer the thing in itself but I cannot possibly cognize it 
for it is necessarily beyond me. How can my mental impressions which are of 
things, but not those things, ever cognize those things as they are in 
themselves? The very mediatory aspect of representation necessitates that such 
things are in themselves.

Formally, I have outlined this very precisely (natural language muddies things) 
and it's not ambiguous. It is upon me to put those formalisms here rather than 
muddled chatgpt postings, but I do know that they stand, consistently in all 
manner of logical forms.

John Sowa made a comment about the "various Peirces". I think that is accurate. 
As Peirce contradicts himself, as all people do, being fallible, when it comes 
to thing in itself for he was continuously evolving as scholar (polymath) until 
his death.

Best,

Jack
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Again). (Assemblage Formalisms - inference).

Jack, List:

Again, if the "thing in itself" can be inferred, then it can be represented and 
is not incognizable after all. So, Peirce was right and Kant was wrong.

Thanks,

Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA
Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian
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On Fri, Jun 2, 2023 at 1:46 PM JACK ROBERT KELLY CODY 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
The disagreement is about whether a complete representation of an object would 
be impossible in principle, even in the infinite future after infinite inquiry 
by an infinite community; Kant says yes, Peirce says no.
Yes, to this I go directly. I say I have proven Kant is correct here via the 
"thing in itself" which by logical series and deconstruction of the mediatory 
process itself, must be inferred. As it is "in itself", it can never be, to us, 
"as it is in itself".

Best

Jack
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