Fourth I have to say that I really don't get the "Pharo is yours"
motto. Is there software out there , open source or not that does not
listen to its community and does not try hard to makes its users happy
? Pharo is not mine, If I designed Pharo I would make a lot more
diffirent choices than the ones that are included in Pharo and many of
them would be proven bad and stupid in the long run because I have
made many of them already. I want to contibute and keep pushing Pharo
forward but realistically Pharo will never become mine and that maybe
is more a good than a bad thing for the rest of you.
You know. Let us take Java, C# , Javascript, Python, can you propose
simply to change the core of the system and get any chance to see your
changes
evaluated?
Not helping does not help is something we will agree to disagree,
Companies invest billions of dollars on surveys to see how people feel
about a product. You may hate the idea of Pharo viewed as a product
but maybe then maybe you understimate the importance of this approach.
Sooner or later Pharo will need some serious funding to get more full
time developers and investors will see Pharo as a product.
sweet dreams. Investors do not invest in languages. I talked to CamelPro
people and they face exactly the same problem.
In the end if what drives you all is to create a super cool product go
out and ask people what they truly feel about Pharo. Very few people
use smalltalk implementations , why ? What they don't like is far more
important to what they like. Learning to target features that your
users need the most is the path to success but even if the user does
not really know what he or she want getting to know your user needs or
the way he/she thinks is what will help you design tools that make
people smile but most importantly make people use on a day to day basis.
If you are not ready to take in the negativity you wont go very far
because there is a ton of negativity out there.
This is not that we cannot take negativity. Now do not expect that our
days are 72h per day. So manage your frustration and help yourself
this is the message.
If you find my negative bad, boy you have seen nothing . There is a
lot of frustration out there for things even unrelated to coding,
sometimes accepting that help you communicate easily with people .
Dont try to suppress negative it will become a volcano that will erupt
eventually.
On the other hand do not tolerate trolling either, isolate these kind
of people who love to annoy others and throw the away from poisoning
the community.
"Anything done with a measure is perfection"
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 2:44 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <esteba...@gmail.com
<mailto:esteba...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi,
I’m writing this because I’m sad about what is happening in this list.
I’m seeing a lot of general negativity and non constructive ways
to discuss things.
I’m also seeing more and more people using Pharo for their
particular interests (which is of course a good thing) but less
and less people who contribute back to Pharo.
Finally, I’m seeing more frequently an attitude of “customer”,
more than the conviction than this, Pharo, is also yours…
Please people, we (the pharo “core” team) cannot do everything. We
do not have the manpower or the resources to hire manpower. We
would like, but we just do not have the resources (is already a
blessing that we can work on this, for now: INRIA is paying, but
what it pays is *research*, not “pharo the language”, so this is a
collateral advantage….)
So, having an OPEN SOURCE project, with limited resources means
that there is a lot of things that depend on the community.
It depends on the community not just to fix, but to enlarge the
ecosystem in general too.
So, I refuse to believe that we cannot be a cool and helpful
community.
I refuse to believe that general negativity and bad humor can
overcome the joy of participating in this collective effort.
So, here some recommendations for enhance the way we participate:
- Be positive. Just “this is a s**t” does not help. Even if it is.
- Be propositional. Just “this is a s**t”, and not telling what
you want/prefer does not help.
- Be proactive. Just “this is a s**t”, and not report, discuss and
(at least time to time) provide a fix/enhancement does not help.
In conclusion: not helping does not help :)
After all, this is the “pharo-dev” list. I mean, the list of
people wanting to participate from this great, community effort.
cheers,
Esteban, still grateful of belonging to this community
