Thank you for expressing my thoughts exactly. We all get pissy
once in a while, and there seems, for the most part, to be a inverse
relation between intelligence and patience.

        Zeev: I understand your frustration. I really do. There have
been times when just about EVERYONE in the PHP Group has shocked me, or
made me, to be honest, wonder if I even belong here. I'm often afraid to
ask question, simply because I'm a self-taught coder...I didn't even
graduate from High School! Because of that, I hestiate to address
certain things with you, or Andi, or Sascha, because you can all tend to
be a bit abrasive.

        Yes, you seem to have improved, for the most part. Sascha
hasn't. So what, really, should be done about it? The only resolution,
IMHO, is the one all of us have to take when addressing any of the PHP patient, and realize that there are going to be clashes.

        Sascha: You can be a bit abrasive. I'd be terribly surprised if
others had not mention this to you. Perhaps it would not be quiet so bad
to rethink sometimes, before you push that Send button (or keystroke, or
whatever?) If not for yourself, think about the good of the
project....things like this take everyone's time away from what we
REALLY love...

On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, Zak Greant wrote the following to Rasmus Lerdorf, Zeev...:

>     Everyone knows this issue - it gets dragged onto the list every
>     couple of months or so...
>     What result do you want out of this argument? Sascha's exile from
>     the project? The other developers to rise up with torches and
>     pitchforks, lynch Sascha and burn his lab... ;)
>     Sascha, what do you think? A lot of people believe that you are a
>     pain in the ass - do you like this? Do you think that it is un-
>     justified?
>     I think that the majority of developer don't want to lose either
>     Zeev or Sascha and wish that these vicious fights did not happen
>     so consistently.

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