At 06:22 PM 7/9/2001 -0600, Joey Smith wrote:
>Has it ever been considered that it may be time to restructure the PHP
>Group, if nothing else than bringing in some new blood?

I think it's something we should consider. From what Joey wrote it sounds 
as if the PHP Group is perceived as something *above* php-dev in the 
community. I don't think this is a good thing and therefore most 
discussions (forget the current one) are held on php-dev. The PHP Group 
does mostly administrative stuff so maybe we could just have something like 
a PHP UNIX system group, a PHP license group, a PHP web group and so on. 
Just an idea. I haven't thought about it too much and I've just opened my 
eyes from sleep :)


>On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, Andi Gutmans wrote the following to Sascha Schumann :
> > At 10:30 PM 7/9/2001 +0200, Sascha Schumann wrote:
> > > > Sascha, don't come to conclusions too quickly if you do want to improve
> > > > your weak spots.
> > >
> > >     Andi, have you ever considered that your approach of
> > >     "guiding" other people is not appreciated?
> >
> > Yes. That is what a guide is. He can try and guide you but it doesn't mean
> > you have to appreciate the guidance nor take the advice. You are free to
> > ignore whatever I write.
> > Anyway, I think right now the easiest thing for us to do is to move to 
> re2c
> > without your sources (it should be relatively trivial as it's just a
> > scanner and we wrote the original regex's) and allow for better
> > communication to address the issues that were raised (both the team issues
> > and the license issues) when things cool down a bit.
> > I don't particularly like Andre's suggestion of keeping everything on
> > group@ because I find that as time has gone by there are many active
> > contributors on php-dev@ who have a right to be more involved in PHP.
> > Actually I often find people in the community who are more involved in PHP
> > than some on the PHP Group. So as I mentioned, it should be in a more
> > diplomatic and constructive manner but I definitely think that the whole
> > "PHP Group is sacred" way is not the right way. I think the PHP developers
> > & community have a lot of great ideas and great inputs (even if some of
> > these are not things I necessarily agree with) and we should probably
> > adjust our whole working mechanism.
> >
> > Andi
> >
> >
> >

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