Hi Zeev
Thank you for your kind words.
I am still going to release the code (hopefully this Tuesday, 24th of July).
I don't expect anything from anyone. I have worked on the 4Arrow portal for
over two years now. I never charged anyone to use it or limit their access
to the multitude of tools, applications and information I present there. I
have never even used any ad banners, promoted commercial products, and I
have never made one cent directly from the 4Arrow portal of websites that I
regularly and solely maintain by myself.
I have always believed in empowering others with knowledge you have without
being selfish. That has been my purpose on developing the 4Arrow websites
all this time and my passion for Web development.
The only needs I have from the PHP group is... After all this I am not sure
anymore.
I guess I don't need anything I just wanted to share and exchange some ideas
about content management frameworks and best practices in regards to PHP
development.
The original cmf.php.net was just an idea to start a centralized place to
spear head this form of collaborations and discussions.
I am still going to aim XPC development towards a CMF like tool that is
employed over at Zope.org (http://cmf.zope.org) With Zope like qualities in
building and maintaining web sites.
Regards,
Michael
----- Original Message -----
From: "Zeev Suraski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Michael Glazer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Fw: PHP XMF
Michael,
Don't let this kind of stuff let you down. You got a very cold shower as
your intro to the opensource community, but this isn't the way it's always
like. You were exposed to some of the drawbacks in this model, so you
wouldn't have any idealistic expectations, but a bit more rational
ones... But as I said in the beginning, if you learn to grow a slightly
thicker skin and just go on and contribute, there are good chances things
would work off.
My suggestion to you is to just go on with your project, and possibly try
to interest other people to join in. If you have more concrete needs from
us (as in the PHP group), let us know.
Zeev
At 14:47 22/07/2001, Michael Glazer wrote:
>Your right.
>
>Its no big deal. My tactics have failed. I'm beyond that I don't expect
>anything else.
>
>What concerns me at this point is the attitude of you folks its pretty
>endearing and warm hearted to say the least.
>
>I feel now, more than ever, a greater sense towards the open source
>community.
>
>The sense of inclusion and participation seeps out of these emails that it
>makes me want to stay up all night and code great new ideas all night and
>give it to this great community....
>
>Note: American sarcasm and irony
>
>-Michael
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Björn Schotte" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Michael Glazer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Cc: "Rasmus Lerdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 5:38 AM
>Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Fw: PHP XMF
>
>
> > * Michael Glazer wrote:
> > > I feel I want to yell and scream out, "who does he think he is?"
> >
> > Michael, _you_ want to "sell" something to the php.net folks.
> > Why should anybody of them fall to their knees and praise you
> > for your idea/suggestion? If I look up this e-mail conversation,
> > I only see somebody (you) who sells himself very poorly and who
> > says "But mummy, I want to have my project on a sub-domain at
> > php.net!!!". You aren't in the position to clamour for something.
> > You are in the position to sell your product/project in such a
> > manner that php.net folks say "Oh, good, nice project, let's
> > give him a sub domain". If they won't (which I can understand),
> > you failed your tactics.
> >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > [...]
> >
> > Please consider http://learn.to/quote/, thanks.
> >
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