this all started when rasmus had a problem with the "click" in my original
post and i think i proved that if you are a member of the php development
you better not stray from what the php gods think or else you will get
hanged in public or even banned or ignored.

then i suggested that zend isn't really doing much to "develop" an encoder
or accelerator since one guy has been able to do the same thing and rasmus
is like of course not silly if microsoft sold their products for what they
cost it would be $0.02.

so fine zend is ripping people off, what's the point?  well it has been
damaging to php is my point.  no one knows what php is and no one will pay
you to do php.  why blame zend on this?  no matter what rasmus says that 600
people have access to the cvs, php is zend and zend is php.

after that is when all the little minions started acting tough so that the
cool kids would like them better.




here's the original post that i made, maybe people should reread it:
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There is a free php accelerator so I don't know why you would pay for one.
www.php-accelerator.co.uk

The same guy (Nick) has also just made an encoder.  It is in beta testing
right now and there's no windows version yet but that should be coming soon.
I think it's like $0.50 to encode your program which is much more
affordable.
http://www.php-encoder.com

I think the problem with zend is that they have put up the guise that php is
an opensource project but to actually use it in production you had to pay
several thousands every year for the accelerator and the encoder.  It kinda
feels like a bait and switch to me which is why I personally think zend is
bad for php.  Just do a search for jobs for asp, cf or jsp.  There are a ton
of jobs for these languages and you would be lucky to find one for a php
developer.  So zend rakes in the money and does no real marketing with that
money for php is the way I see it.

You'll never hear anything from the core php group since they are a tight
click so it's business as usual.  Now that Nick has released the free
accelerator and an inexpensive ($0.50 per shot) encoder it might change but
I don't know if it's too late.


-----Original Message-----
From: Maxim Maletsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: August 4, 2002 1:26 AM
To: 'Acer'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding


It hurts no one. Believe me.

Do what. Download PHP package and put it on sale. We'll let you do that
by our license. Actually, yeah, here I go - YOU CAN DO IT RIGHT NOW.

600 people worked hard on PHP for over several years and thousands of
servers do us the real-life test.

Just sell it.
Will we get hurt? Ufff.... whata pain ....


Maxim Maletsky


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Acer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 7:06 AM
> To: CÚsar Aracena; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding
>
> the truth hurts sometimes.
>
> this was dropped a long time ago but you people keep bringing it up
and
> giving your 2 cents.  thanks cesar, you can read my mind.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CÚsar Aracena [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: August 4, 2002 12:59 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding
>
>
> I am pretty new to PHP, but not to computing since I've been working
> with them for about 15 years and I would like to say something about
> this idiotic spamming subject.
>
> It's your problem if you get short on cash for buying something you
> could have done by yourself which, by the way, is the beauty of open
> source.
>
> Now, to cut the crap here, which OS do you use at work or even worse,
at
> home? Have you ever bought a computer that comes with any version of
MS
> Windows preinstalled? If you think that buying any kind commercial
> product while having the chance to get the same benefits from an open
> source piece is the right way to go, then do it. If not, just
> unsubscribe yourself from Zend's newsletter and don't ever visit their
> home site. By the way, how much did you pay for the last MS Windows
you
> bought? Or do you use copies? Uhmmm... that's not nice.
>
> I have more than 10.000 e-mails stored in my PHP-General folder which
> are all (or most of them) dedicated to help solving PHP issues for us
> newcomers (by the way, thanks to all). Ok, so maybe some of them are
> about other things such MySQL or HTML, but hey... it's not easy for
> everybody to find the right place to ask for help.
>
> So, to keep it short, please stop messing with other people's ideas
> about how the silicon world should work and start making your own
ones.
> You sound like a very smart person. It's really a shame that not a
> single person from this list will ever give you a job but hey... that
> was your own decision.
>
> Good luck in your life you poor, poor soul.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Acer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 1:20 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Justin French'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; php-
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding
> >
> > i did drop it and then a whole bunch of you late comers piled in
again
> so
> > why don't you give it up.
> >
> > BTW did i mention the core php group are a click?  i'm sure all of
> them
> > are
> > busily emailing each other saying "oh what a jerk, we are doing a
> great
> > job,
> > don't listen to that guy, you guys are the best!  keep up the good
> work!"
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Maxim Maletsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: August 4, 2002 12:22 AM
> > To: 'Acer'; 'Justin French'; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding
> >
> >
> > Acer, I can, we all can, but this is OFF-TOPIC.
> >
> > You are insisting on your ideas on this mailing list. We DO disagree
> > with you, yet, we PREFER to drop this thread off THIS list.
> >
> > Please start looking for a right place and right people and tell
them
> > what you think about Zend, PHP, ASP and JSP.
> >
> > This mailing list discusses general php problems. Zend's pricing is
> not
> > our problem.
> >
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Maxim Maletsky
> >
> > PHP Beginner
> > www.phpbeginner.com
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Acer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 5:57 AM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Justin French'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; php-
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding
> > >
> > > if you can't debate the issues then get out.
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Maxim Maletsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: August 4, 2002 12:00 AM
> > > To: 'Acer'; 'Justin French'; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding
> > >
> > >
> > > Acer,
> > >
> > > Give it up. We are tired of you.
> > >
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > >
> > > Maxim Maletsky
> > >
> > > PHP Beginner
> > > www.phpbeginner.com
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Acer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 5:40 AM
> > > > To: Justin French; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding
> > > >
> > > > okay you say zend gave me php and rasmus says 600 people gave me
> > php.
> > > you
> > > > guys need to get your story right.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Justin French [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: August 3, 2002 9:44 PM
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > on 03/08/02 11:57 PM, Manuel Lemos ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >> The people for Zend have to eat to live.
> > > > >
> > > > > And don't we all? That is the main problem. If we need to pay
> USD
> > > $3,000
> > > > > to be able to compile our PHP programs, doesn't that make not
> > viable
> > > for
> > > > > most of us to sell our PHP programs as closed source?
> > > >
> > > > How much money do you make a week writing PHP scripts?  Just
> > remember,
> > > > Zend
> > > > gave you PHP, for free, to use in almost any commercial way you
> > wish.
> > > >
> > > > My clients cant afford Zend, but when the right client comes
> along,
> > > it'll
> > > > be
> > > > my recommendation without hesitation.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Justin French
> > > >
> > > >
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